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[–] riskable@programming.dev 4 points 1 hour ago

If extraterrestrial, sapient alien life has been discovered here on Earth by the US government it was probably uncovered via signals intelligence gathering. Not via any sort of physical interaction or visual observation.

Everyone thinks that to find aliens you need to search the skies, looking for visual evidence or radio patterns. No one bothers to think that a mass surveillance network across the globe would pick it up first—from local sources. Meaning: They're already here and could have been for hundreds of thousands of years (or longer).

There's probably an autonomous alien monitoring station broadcasting information about Earth on the regular. Probably more than one.

Exactly the type of thing that would be investigated by signals intelligence analysts who spend their days trying to figure out, "WTF was that?" Looking at data gathered from all over the world (for spying reasons).

That's why Obama would laugh at the question of, "where are the aliens?" Because he wouldn't know! He'd just know that they're here... Somewhere. Probably just super advanced machines, connected to a quantum-level universe-wide network.

The real question to ask is, "are they enjoying our memes?"

[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

I’ve said it before, but Trump as president basically rules out the existence of aliens on Earth. That fat fuck could not keep his mouth shut if he knew about aliens.

I have been rewatching the x-files, and the most fantastical part of the show is the idea that the FBI could orchestrate an alien conspiracy. Kash Patel couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery, let alone hide aliens from the world.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago

It would be really funny if this was Obama messing with Trump. "Why has nobody told ME! What else does Obama know that I don't?". I can easily imagine Trump being unnerved by this

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That fat fuck could not keep his mouth shut if he knew about aliens.

We're assuming that if the conspiracy has any truth to it, that it's something that the government broadly has a unified front on and are willing to share and report data with each other and report it upwards.

I think the last several years should have taught us that it's more than plausible with the size, scale and complexity of the US government, intelligence agencies, the thousands of huge subcontractors and other "grey" organizations, that some agencies or entities could have knowledge of things that the rest do not.

I don't have an opinion on "aliens" or if there's a crashed saucer cover-up, there's been too much disinformation and BS for me to have a take one way or another, but I firmly believe they are hiding shit that no sane person would share with the president if they wanted to keep it secret, not everyone is like the average American and most people with years of training and professionalism would look at Trump and know at first glance he's an impotent clown and a con-man, most people in highest levels of defense and government broadly are just waiting for him to pass.

[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 1 points 19 minutes ago

Yeah, I never bought into the"Gov't is hiding aliens" as in spaceships and little green men per se. I figure there's some highly secret advanced intelligence gathering that won't see the light of day for another 30 or 40 years that has caught stuff that can't be explained yet.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Then there's the time when trump showed pictures to confirm intel at a press conference and it basically confirmed that the US had spy satellites that had highly advanced resolution cameras. So if the US said "Hey, we detected this, but we don't know wtf it is.", every intelligence agency would immediately ask themselves: how did the US detect that, how do we protect ourselves from it, and can we also do that.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago

If there's a government agency that knows the truth about it, they are smart enough to make absolutely sure he will not hear about it

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Does alien life exist somewhere? Yes. Absolutely. It would be impossible for it not to given the size of the universe and the laws of probability.

Is that alien life multicellular? Again. Yes. For the same reason as above. In a functionally infinite universe, the roll of the dice is going to come up at least a few times.

Is that alien life intelligent? Maybe. But in my opinion, probably. Intelligent life arose here after many many stops and starts. It's probably that given enough kicks at the can, multicellular life can evolve intelligence on any planet where it arises if the conditions are right.

Has that intelligent life visited us? No. No intelligent life has ever left their own solar system except possibly in the form or a one-way generation ship.

Life evolves, either biologically or technologically, because of competition for resources. From the most basic amoeba competing for the heat from a steam vent at the bottom of an ocean, to humans competing for oil and minerals, life is about resources gathering.

So what happens when we finally are able to access the resources of the solar system, which are effectively limitless (at least from a human perspective)? Nothing. We stagnate. There's no impetus to go further than that. Scientists may want to. But pure science is a myth. People paying the bills are what drive us forward. and it's reasonable to assume that any life that evolves would do so facing the same pressures.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

we always find ways to use the virtually limitless and some people always want to push the boundaries. We certainly, if limited to what we know now, use lasers to accelerate solar sail ships or some such with some other engine for braking or such. That is if we don't just straight out find some new technology once we understand physics more.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Any physics grad can tell you that life visiting earth from another planet is impossible, because with absolute proof we know physics is truly universal.

We might find bacteria in a comet or meteor fragment.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

Life finds a way...if there is a reason to do so.

My point is, once we've secured all the resources in the solar system, there is no reason to find a way.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 hours ago
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Obama is an asshole for saying this and not qualifying or expanding on it.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 30 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

It's quite simple. If the US had evidence that aliens existed, do you think Donald Trump would gave kept it a secret? He would make a big show of insisting to be the guy who they talk to when they say "Take me to your leader", and he wouldn't be able to resist telling us all about it.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

It’s also possible they never told him. I can imagine more secretive and/or shady government agencies only provide info on a need-to-know basis even to the executive level.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I don't know about aliens or whatnot, but I don't believe for a moment that people with actual secrets and important information, along with years or decades of intelligence experience and training, would look at Donald Fucking Trump and say "Damn, it's too bad I have to share this highly-secret information with this guy, but I guess I have to."

Hell no, this is still the liberal mindset that there are "rules" that governments need to follow. We should know well by now that there are no rules, that the government of the US is built largely on lies and image, compartmentalized knowledge, and that nobody with actual power suffers consequences for breaking whatever rules they were supposed to have.

[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 5 points 5 hours ago

You could get him to keep the secret forever: "Mr. President, it's my duty to inform you that space aliens are real. But they only want to talk to Obama."

[–] grue@lemmy.world 92 points 14 hours ago (26 children)

It is statistically impossible for life to exist on exactly one planet in the universe. Earth just isn't that fucking special!

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Yah, but it's also statistically more likely that we have missed crossing paths with them or even seeing their signs by millions of light years, as well as millions of years of history.

Entire empires could have risen to galactic power and ruled vast portions of the galaxy and finally splintered, evolved or gone extinct in just the million years before humans invented stone tools. Or some thousands of years during the Devonian period or something. Or the nearest planet with life is still just boneless fish and will need a hundred million more years to develop radio.

We're not only a microscopic dot in space, we're also a microscopic dot in time. And our ability to even look out into space and detect anything is a tiny shaving of time off that dot.

[–] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

As far as the history of the universe is concerned we are actually super early on in its lifespan. So in some ways it's actually more likely that we will be one of the early civilizations that perish before the others show up.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Not to mention that this assessment only applies to the universe we can see, we're missing a LOT so it's really hard to say even the actual age of the universe (roughly) or if there's a whole other angle to the universe we can't observe like we're seeing hints of with observations of dark matter and dark energy, plus the fact that every time we send up more powerful instruments we detect a whole lot more "stuff" broadly than we ever thought, and of course the bubble of observation we're stuck in and have no way to know if our observable sphere of the universe is unique or odd in some way, or if there's even a point in scale where the universe becomes homogeneous, for all we know it's infinite and varied beyond description at the highest scales.

The things we don't know outweigh the things we know by orders of magnitude, so it's very, very hard to say if we even have the right foundational ideas when we ponder life in the universe besides us.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

The problem is the human mind cannot understand the concept of how far one single light year is. Even Fermi struggled.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Also statistically most likely that no life form has ever been able to leave its solar system, huge limited the opportunity to have detected each other

[–] credo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Statistically *improbable

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's also seemingly impossible for aliens to traverse dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of light years. Unless it's in the solar system, which it's not, it's not actually possible. They could send a machine perhaps. Unless you believe in some type of warp speed, which I don't.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I personally don’t believe aliens have come to earth as I don’t have evidence. But I also don’t discount what can be done or us being able to figure out something warp-like.

A lot of what we know about the universe now would have been impossible to fathom just 2/3 centuries ago. Do humans know how to get close to or exceed the speed of light right now? No.

But there have been billions of years and probably countless possible civilizations that maybe could.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

Those that claim to have all the answers to the universe are certainly mistaken and there is a lot more than we know I totally agree on that. At every point in human history experts have claimed to have all the answers, and have always been wrong, but we are to believe they are right this time?

Not the least on the cosmos, we only see an infinitesimal part of a greater whole too, just a bacteria on a speck of dust in something we have no way of understanding. Part of wisdom is realizing what you do not, and cannot know, I have always thought.

That said, I just don't see warp speed as possible, maybe there is something that travels faster than the speed of light, and if that is the case, maybe that could be used. But I don't think there are portals or bends in space time or whatever theories they are putting forward, any more than I believe time travel is possible.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

You're substituting "statistically impossible" for "emotionally impossible."

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 49 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Life is certain to exist, but multicellular life is less likely and intelligent multicellular who reaches for the stars is even less likely

[–] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Who said anything about multicellularity, intelligence, or space travel?

Point is, Obama's answer was vacuously true, and the only answer a non-idiot could reasonably could have given.

...Okay, I admit he could have quoted Contact for extra style points:

"The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space."

But aside from that, the answer he gave was the only one he could reasonably have given.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

Arthur C. Clarke

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 14 points 12 hours ago

Okay wait, listen to yourself. You expected Obama to give a reasonable answer, and of course he did. Gosh, wasn't that nice? You might agree or disagree with his choices and priorities, but even his worst policies had SOME sort of reason behind them. And were stated in complete grammatical sentences that stayed in topic.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Earth is special. More special than most of the other planets that exist. But it's not the only special one.

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

More special than ones we've detected, but our detection methods have a very biased available dataset.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If we presume a functionally infinite universe sure life pretty much has to exist in multiple spots. That's a big presumption by itself though.

After that, is said civilization on some dinosaur shit? Are they so far beyond us we look like cavemen in comparison? Are they looking around the universe and just missed us? Do we want them to find us? Historically humanity finds less advanced groups and kills, enslaves, or just robs them blind. No reason to think the alien conquistadors would be better then the Spanish ones.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You are missing something: maybe the next "neighbor" civilization is in Andromeda or even farther. There is A LOT of space in the universe.

[–] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I would be very surprised if it was that far away to be honest. They estimate there are likely trillions of planets in our own galaxy now. For us to be the only one would be absurdly unlikely.

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[–] mayabuttreeks@lemmy.ca 44 points 14 hours ago

OK sure "they're real" but said in a tongue-in-cheek manner and no follow-up from the 'journalist', LOL... Right on cue, another nothingburger that will keep the Art-Bell-Coast-to-Coast crowd occupied for another few decades while the billionaire class continues to build their empires.

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