7%. Pathetic. I honestly can't believe things have turned out this way. We were pioneers in this market and now the same person who created it has actively contributed to its' destruction.
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He didn't create jack shit. He bought into a wave that had already been rising and took all the credit because it was his money funding the ads. But he got involved late and had little to no involvement in design. He was happy to destroy it because he sees more money in cozying up to this administration, getting regulations relaxed, and getting government subsides for his other investments.
Just don't ever give him credit as a creator of any kind. He wrote some shitty early code for PayPal in the 90s or something. That's the most he's ever "created."
He did help push it forward in a couple ways that I don't think others would have.
One is that he just didn't give a fuck about regulation or established procedures. Two is that he did have a focus on affordability. Three is that he demanded a lot out of his employees largely driven (for them) by being for the greater good.
A lot of his success has come from employees who were dedicated to the cause. It's why both Tesla and SpaceX had done so well, while Twitter and Tesla robots will flounder
Some of that likely came out of him being a shitbag in various ways where he lucked into the right circumstances for that attitude.
The world isn't black and white. He should get some credit for Tesla. And he should get credit for the current ways he's dismantling Tesla and the US.
I mean I'm pretty sure the tens of millions of dollars he invested helped a little bit.
Putting money into something does not make you a creator. Investor, sure. Patron, maybe. Not a creator.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
Don't forget the EV1. People stole them so they wouldn't get crushed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
In 1900 there were more electric vehicles in the US than gas vehicles.
Big oil won out back then, and again when it eliminated trolleys around the 1930's, and it's keeping its grip even now.
US options under $35,000 pretty much suck in the US for EVs. They aren't all that great under $50k.
I wouldn't have bought one yet regardless. They're only just now putting batteries into production that I believe will last 20 years without needing replaced. I'm keeping my old hybrid until those batteries ramp up in production and make it to the US if they ever become affordable here.
Blame the manufacturers for making disposable, non-repairable crap EVs.
Look at the resale market for 5+ year old EVs. They’re practically worthless. Turns out they’re full of proprietary parts that can’t be replaced with after market alternatives, so people are forced to buy from the manufacturer who charges more than the car is worth.
For some reason, the car companies thought they could get away with forcing people into the buy-discard-rebuy cycles that we have for smartphones. That hasn’t worked so far. Americans believe that cars should be a long term investment, not a disposable commodity.
Last bit of evidence is look at the fleet vehicle market. Rental car companies have dumped their EV fleets due to the cost of repairs and replacements.
Odd that it's only a problem in the USA.
What kind of "repairable, non-disposable crap" do you think EVs have that gas cars don't?
It’s the parts, stupid! EVs use proprietary parts that cost a fortune to replace. We’re talking thousands of dollars for proprietary headlights, whereas an old gas car you can buy new headlights for $30 at an auto parts store.
It didn’t have to be this way. But manufacturers saw an opportunity for maximum greed and they took it!
Hey moron, ICE cars use those, too.
Not used ones! There’s a whole market out there of used cars that are cheap and easy to repair.
Then your complaint is with new cars, not electric ones.
Yet nobody is buying used electric cars. The resale price is abysmal. US adoption of electric cars has stalled as a result.
You wanted an explanation of what’s going on and then when you don’t like the answer you react negatively.
LOL I didn't ask for an explanation of anything.Tthis is not about me not liking your answer, it's about it being factually incorrect.
Here you go. It’s not factually incorrect. EVs are too expensive to repair!
So your evidence that they're too expensive to repair is that...people are selling them?
They’re selling them at deep discounts. The loss in resale values makes people wary of buying new ones. People want cars that hold their value, otherwise they won’t buy.
You're moving the goalposts. You said they were "disposable" and "non-repairable".
If a car costs more to repair than it’s worth, it’s called a write-off. If a category of anything (doesn’t have to be cars) regularly ends up written off, it’s non-repairable and disposable. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to repair, just that it’s not worth repairing. Anything can be repaired if you’re willing to spend unlimited money on it.
That's not what it means. I tire of these mental gymnastics. You're spewing nonsense. Goodbye.
Good riddance!
The USA just gave up collectively in 2024.
The Oil Industry won in 2024
It’s about to fall even further behind now that Trump just gutted EPA regulations on car emissions.
But no, this pedophile president said otherwise and that USA will make money! come one don't be antimaga! Now that USA is normalizing pedophilia, USA will make more money with its pedophile billionaires. /S
Fuck ICE
While china has a lot of issues, I've been impressed by their efforts on electric cars and renewables.
Even better, it's 17.4% for EU, but this increases to 19.5% if including UK and EFTA
I just can't comprehend why you would want an ice vehicle if electric is even available.
EV's are superior tools in almost every conceivable metric. There are some edge cases where this isn't true, and there are issues around price and how heavily we subsidize ice vehicles, but even then, EV's are objectively better.
Just happens that the "only" negative is the biggest for many people, long trips in a country without reliable charging infrastructure. Like most, this is solved having two vehicles, being one a gas or diesel.
I live in a flat with shitty grid in a country with lackluster charger infrastructure.
Yes there are still places where EVs simply aren't usable, whatever 'conceivable metrics' the previous commenter mentioned for some reason totally ignore this.
Source: I have an EV, it is sometimes easier to just rent an ICE vehicle for long trips.
An ICE has absolutely nothing over a PHEV.
This post is not about ICE or PHEV. And definitely not about comparing ICE to PHEV.
Except having to carry around two complete powertrains.
Neither true, nor a drawback.
internal combustion engine bruh maybe you new here
when you invade other countries for oil there isn't much pressure to innovate here
OK so maybe USA isn't so great at electric vehicle adoption, but where else can you get a 64oz soda with unlimited free refills?
And pedophiles can live worry free.