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[–] GreenWizard@midwest.social 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I used to for sure. I was raised in the midwest in the 80s and taught to drink milk by the gallon. Once I became an adult I stopped eating so much dairy and felt way better. The USA in the 80s-90s when I grew up was rife with health disinformation and straight up lies to the consumer.

On the other hand, I never saw so much cheese as when I went to Europe and saw the cheese aisles in France and Netherlands. And you can buy entire wheels at Euro farmer markets. Most traditional Dutch food is ham and cheese type dishes. I asked my Dutch friend his favorite food and he said he likes Thai food lmao.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

OK, I no longer hate France.

Also, why wouldn't you drink milk by the gallon? You need to to have strong bones, that's why the viagra companies hate cows

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, that's about right. I love cheese in or on just about everything.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If anyone ate that much in a day they would achieve levels of anal retention that would make most political pundits blush

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

Cheese binds you up because in the fermentation process it produces an opiate, just not one that crosses the blood brain barrier and or gets you "high," it doesn't effect your brain, but the opiate does work on your opiate receptors in your gut, just like loperamide, the anti diahrrea med is also an opiate that doesn't cross the blood brain barrier.

My source is a little paragraph in a national geographic, it didn't give me any more detail than that and that is as I recall.

[–] TobEnd@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CHEESE GROMIT

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 2 points 9 hours ago

Please, Wallace has standards

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The US would have to be made of milk. Idk what the conversion rate is, but we're talking a couple of feet of milk on the ground at all times.

I mean you'd have to make the cheese just for a spot of dry land.

Eventually, the milk would overcome the US and then the World.

It's the Milky Way.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Cows aren't the only critters with teats yknow

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't this the exact plot of a danger mouse cartoon...?

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 59 minutes ago

Also a simpsons episode, Homer somehow stumbles on the mob milking rats with machines in some building they were selling to the schools on a contract. Forget what happened after that.

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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what? that seems impossible

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Don't let your dreams be dreams.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Dutch guy here. That's not cheese. Don't you dare place that junk in the same category as our holy (pun intended) gold.

I'm sure France, Switzerland and Italy agree with me.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 58 minutes ago

We have good cheese in the US as well, it's just the mass produced factory stuff is downgrade. I find your comment curdled my attitude in fact.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Look, nobody is eating cubes of American cheese and pretending it's gouda. It's for cheeseburgers and grilled cheese sandwiches. It's uniquely suited for it. It melts better. The flavor is strong and unsubtle, which matches well with a well-seasoned burger or stands on its own in a grilled cheese.

Just because you don't understand a food doesn't mean it's bad.

[–] angband@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

There is zero issue with making a grilled cheese with something like cheddar or even mozarella. The melting thing is in small part people cooking too hot, but mostly it is pure marketing hype - american cheese only makes sauces easier.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Make a cheese burger or grilled cheese sandwich with American plastic and one with proper Dutch cheese and compare. No way in hell the American cheese (like in the picture) wins.

Just because you don't understand a food doesn't mean it's bad.

Just because you never had proper cheese means you don't know what you're talking about.

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

As much as I appreciate good cheeses, American Singles are suitable for cheeseburger and grilled cheese-applications on account of them containing sodium citrate, which gives them good melting properties.

Well-tasting cheeses without sodium citrate tend to break when melted, which is not particularly desirable.

You could of course make your own melt-appropriate cheese by mixing in sodium citrate with a shredded well-tasting cheese and melting the mixture.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

All the young Dutch cheeses, as well as white French cheeses (or from other EU countries) melt extremily well. Just the heavily riped yellow cheeses melt less well. If it's young and doesn't melt, it's probably not real cheese.

Well-tasting cheeses without sodium citrate tend to break when melted

I've never seen melted cheese break. How does that even work, it's melted so in a liquid form. Even when cooled down it should be flexible and stretchy. Even when it's overly riped cheese which eventually melted (which it should, with a lot of patience) and cooled down should be more rubber-like than break.

When you think those American cheeses are perfect for their melting properties, you clearly dont have proper cheese alternatives as all young cheeses should melt flawlessly.

But the chance you don't have good alternatives is highly likely. I've traveled the world a lot and most Dutch cheeses I ate abroad were terrible. Even the craft cheeses were much worse than the plain mediocre quality supermarket factory cheeses here in NL. Even when I went to the UK, while the British themselves can make some very nice cheeses. But the Dutch cheeses they had were basically plastic, and indeed with barely any melting properties.

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

But the chance you don't have good alternatives is highly likely.

You're making extremely unwarranted assumptions about what kind of culinary access I have. I encourage you to consider how you express yourself.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 7 points 1 day ago

just because you've never had proper cheese

Do you seriously think the only cheese that exists in the entirety of the US is kraft singles?

I'm sure your cheese is delicious but I'm also positive I've had some cheese that's much better, and I got it in America. It's a big country.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've had many different cheeses on my burgers. I'm sure I've even had a gouda burger. They can be fine if you're going for like a specialty burger with other non-standard toppings, but a straight-up cheeseburger? That's not what proper Dutch cheese is made for, so why would you use it like that?

Different ingredients are better in different contexts.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Dutch girl here. There is absolutely good American cheese. It's a huge place and they have a lot of great cheese makers, just like how europe has some absolute crap. Go to the Jumbo and pick up some "White salad cubes" and tell me they're better than this.

That said, none of this cheese pictured is good, or even mediocre.

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[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let that sink in!

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not that particular cheese, but yes I panic when the cheese box is empty. Please, I need my stockpile of cheese. I think there is a national warehouse full of cheese too somewhere. Probably Wisconsin.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Of course they had to package it like it's an ammo box or something

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