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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

See it actually goes like this:

The cybersecurity field sees the CS and software field as a bunch of posers.

The red team (field) sees the blue team as a bunch of posers.

The actual redteam (opsec white hat) sees pentesters as a bunch of posers.

The blackhat hackers sees white hat hackers as a bunch of posers.

Most (skilled) blackhats work for an APT or Nation State, so we almost never get to see a post compromise attack that actually does anything other than crypto ransom or targeted hardware destruction.


But seriously, this post really depends on what type of cybersecurity work.

Our DC

I would expect to see this from a bunch of internal company blueteam "hackers" ;)

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, all of the most skilled blackhats have Lain as their icon on Teams/Twitter.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Am I stupid and missed the joke, or do you mean to imply that "most skilled blackhats" communicate over Microsoft Teams?

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It was kind of a two tiered joke, because they would not use Teams, but also the Lain thing playing off the OP oitrage about avime avatars.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 141 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

>start cyber security job

>am 27, BSc, MSc, 4 years of xp

>entire team is over 50 with one youngling at 45

>none of them have any formal IT qualifications whatsoever

>boss does not know how to read

>clearly just reads the first few words of a sentence and guesses the rest

>only writes in 3-4 word sentences without punctuation and capitalization

>only time anyone writes any detailed amount of text is obviously with copilot

>they refuse to use Jira because it's "too complicated" even though we all have licenses to it and there's a security project already set up

>have me log ticket statuses in a spreadsheet instead

>but only for 2 weeks, after no one checks it

>all communication is 3-4 sentence emails in threads with 20+ people 100+ emails each going back years

>boss proceeds to talk in a 1-2-1 about how he feels for the fact women don't get to speak while not letting me utter a single word in said meeting

>almost every time I try to add to a conversation in a group meeting it's taken as an attack

>team's main project is to put the password manager behind the same password manager

>half of them are constantly having very basic computer problems

>boss opens group convo on teams only to complain there's "too many messages" and that he can't keep up

>I provide summaries in a few short paragraphs but he doesn't read them

>Boss says he doesn't have access to a system but he's really just unable or unwilling to locate the sign in button

>I complete tasks, but they're never checked on by anyone or followed up by anyone

>sometimes I'm expected to elaborate in detail immediately on random things from 3-4 months ago

>at annual review receive complaints that I'm not doing enough but no specifics

>how positively I'm perceived on a given day seems to not correlate with any work done

>seems to mostly depend on how I look in meetings

>try to make small talk

>most don't seem to understand the concept

>one proceeds to show me his entire house, room by room

>it's completely empty and unfurnished

>wut.jpg

>ask them if they like to do self-hosting or play ctfs or hackthebox

>no one has any idea what any of what I said is

>ask one if he's seen movie_name

>Very awkward pause

>barks: "No"

>Drops off meeting because he had a windows update

>He uses a Mac

>One talks about crypto

>Huge crypto guy

>I somewhat jokingly ask him if he's got a stash of XMR

>he doesn't know what that is

Honestly bros I don't wanna be fired because job searching is hell but there's a part of me that will breathe a sigh of relief when I eventually am. Quirky star wars shit here I come.

Sorry for the formatting, I have to add extra newlines and backslashes to make it half-decent. this site sucks sometimes

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I work with older guys. Unix engineers. They’re a bit reticent to change. They’ve been at it for 20+ years on average so they sneer at this Agile stuff. And I don’t blame them. They are at least interested in automation so I’ve slowly been getting them involved there. Positive movement there so far just takes time and lots of conversations.

These dudes you describe sound like total imbeciles.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Colour me jelly. Old school Unix guys are the kind of boomers I'd probably enjoy being around and ask stuff from.

The enterprise windows type IT guys just are something else, I'm sure there's real ones out there but in my experience they're basically an illiterate chatgpt integration for assorted "software vendors" that are usually only there because of internal cuts and are rinsing the company in broad daylight. They know very little about computers that their software vendors didn't teach them. Their entire job is to make themselves easy to fire and replace by standardising IT, which usually just costs the company down the line in endless SaaS fees and does less than a broken cron job.

IMO automation is good when done well, but if anything I'd say half the problems at companies I've seen - including my own workplace - come from automating things that shouldn't be in some ugly way that inevitably breaks at the slightest change and that would work much better if there was just a person doing it manually instead. When automation becomes a demand from the bosses it becomes a metric and metrics become quotas and quotas are fulfilled as an end unto themselves in whatever (dumb) ways possible.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Jira sucks bruh, sorry to inform you.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they refuse to use Jira because it’s “too complicated”

Honestly, based.

have me log ticket statuses in a spreadsheet instead

I take it back. Good god.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah they don't mean it in the way engineers do, they mean it literally :(

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

>Drops off meeting because he had a windows update
>He uses a Mac

Now that's the real hackerman

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

If installing parallels is all it takes to duck out of meetings....

[–] whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Big brain excuses to ditch meetings

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

Seriously, that sounds like a person who perfected the skill of avoiding work. Something you'd laugh at as too ridiculous in a BOFH story. One should be honored to see such a master of his craft. I wish I had the poker face to pull stuff like that off.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

how positively I’m perceived on a given day seems to not correlate with any work done

seems to mostly depend on how I look in meetings

I have discovered that being liked is more important than doing anything. This appears to be a near universal reality, and applies to work, relationships, family, religion, politics, home renovation, economics, finance - you name it. Always be nice to your colleagues. Smile a lot. Be interested in their hobbies. Say yes to social time. This is how you get promoted. If you want to make it to the C suite, you need to put in a little effort. Not too much though. You don't want to become too important in your role to promote.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago (5 children)

My cousin is an extremely smart and well educated woman. She tried for 6 years everything in her power to get promoted. Worked her fucking ass off.

When she gave up, started dressing like a slut and hitting on her boss she started getting a pay bump every quarterly review and inside a year basically made more progress in her career then the previous six.

That went in for a few years till she started rounding over 30 and her ability to look like a slutty high schooler basically fell off.

Her career at that company has been dead ended since. She bitches about it frequently. And complains the fact she was "too proud to show some cleavage" when she was younger prevented her from making more money.

It's fucking stupid, awful and really fucking frustrating. I looked up to her when I was young. So to see her basically break under the sexism of society is God damn awful.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Go tell her to work for a team with more women in it. A balance generally helps imo. My previous job in the company that got acquired was under a female boss and it felt completely different.

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[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly bros I don't wanna be fired because job searching is hell but there's a part of me that will breathe a sigh of relief when I eventually am.

I’d start looking now so you can leave on your own terms. Job hunting might suck while you have one, but it sucks a lot worse when you don’t.

[–] locahosr443@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

You should spend your evenings playing red team and see what kind of chaos you come back to each morning

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

I've found myself in a similar, although, waaay less bad situation. Imho there are basically three ways:

  1. Embrace the stupidity, do the bare minimum to stay employed, try to game the reviews, find meaning in your private life, side projects and hobbies

  2. Enjoy that you get paid for drinking coffee while it lasts, and spend the time you have writing applications and acquiring stuff that looks good on a CV

  3. Quit, whether on your own or by literally doing jack shit, accept the unemployment and/or worse job you might have to take. May or may not be an option, depending on the situation.

[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 17 points 2 days ago

Wow that hurt to read. Thanks for sharing!

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[–] stressballs@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Sometimes I'm glad I was a failure. I will never be subjected to this type of success.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 164 points 2 days ago (6 children)

> goes into field filled with nerds

> shocked that field filled with nerds is filled with nerds

> shockedpikachu.jpeg

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the point of this post is how they are all doing stereotypically nerdy things, and then they are into Twitter

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

>field stereotypically composed of argumentative assholes
>members congregate amongst argumentative assholes

This is as surprising as finding my old human sexuality professor on tumblr. I mean, I haven’t, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

[–] Axeman666@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Another unfortunate fact is that there are a lot of right wing people in IT. That's something I've learned in national conferences. I always hang out in places like this so I had no idea how bad it was, but at least 50% of the people I've met at IT conferences were right leaning. There's only 1 on my team. 2 if you count the libertarian.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yes we are nerds but we must have decorum.

Plus if you’re managing any real infra at all you’ll run out of names if you’re using Star Wars, even the extended canon.

Really: They’re cute until you’re on a screenshare with an angry customer and you’re trying to restore the wookie database to the ewok database. Then it’s way less cute.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

This is why I used to use Pokemon, with departments grouped by type.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Every character on screen has a name in Star Wars. For example: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Davin_Felth

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[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] WillFord27@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

nerds use your mother

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[–] FE80@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

cybersecurity people are bootlickers

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

That is the exact opposite of my experience. Of all the coworkers and friends I’ve ever had who worked in cybersecurity, one was a bootlicker, while all of the rest were at least three of transfem, furry, weeb, and anarchist.

Edit: Ok, one of the transfem furry anarchists was a bootlicker, but only in the kink scene, not her politics.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I hate the word "hackerstars", the rest is fine

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I know this story is fake because it shows someone actually getting a job in cybersecurity these days

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

quietly disconnects from fileshare named Deathstar

😐

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm on Twitter because a long time ago it was a good place to get contacts and industry updates. The only reason I'm still on Twitter is because I haven't used it in about 6 years have forgotten the password and can't log in to delete the account.

But anyway being in cybersecurity isn't about being invisible, if you were invisible you wouldn't be in the industry, you'd just be a hermit living in the woods. It's about being aware of security threats and taking precautive action for yourself and your employer. Me posting videos of my rat completing puzzles, doesn't compromise either of these requirements.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Meh, I like cute names like the next nerd, but I've never seen any in practice. It's all TV model number like codes.

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