The Defed-iverse Wars, begun it has.
this post was submitted on 11 Feb 2026
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wouldn't surprise me if dbzer0 defederates from SJW next
Since it was kinda off topic as a separate post. 
Another report calling someone Zionist for being against guilt by association.
uhhhhh... saying death to any country or group is inherently violent and extremist.
Fuck Israel, I hope the regime collapses. I hate how some people conflate wanting to get rid of a fascist government with wishing death to all the people there.
I'm not sure I'd call Israel a fascist government just yet. An apartheid state? Yes. Genocide regime? Yes. Fascist? Not quite
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I told them that it is not good to wish death on Israel or Palestine. Just because shitty people are in power, doesn't mean the populace has to suffer because of it. It doesn't matter which side.
that's also what i told them, but that was enough for them to consider me a zionist and ban me. for a group that larps on about how much they oppose campism they sure do use it a lot.
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Maybe they were just good at keeping on the mask, but it's a bit sad because I remember a year ago seeing most of db0 openly clowning on tankies whenever they showed up.
Now Unruffled seems to be pushing to make the whole instance explicitly tankie/campist.
Db0 sometimes attacks Tankies, although self-admittedly, he is soft on them. Other times, he even camps with them.
They've both told me that they prefer spending time with tankies instead of liberals, and consider liberals the bigger threat than tankies are. Which is curious considering the history of MLs and anarchists with how the MLs often betray anarchists. I believe their accusations of calling this community a nazi-bar stems from insecurity of their own spaces, where they regularly defend prominent tankies.
I've never seen unruffled attack them though.
Depending on how liberal is being used, i wouldn't disagree. Objectively for many they are the more active threat. But fuck camping with ML who fantasize similar things. The ML our fascistic Epstein class are eagerly cribbing notes from.
In the west and US specifically we've had our language actively manipulated and poisoned. By ghouls like but not limited to Frank Luntz. In the US most that would call themselves liberal would actually be socially liberal. Not acolytes of economic liberalism, which is what liberal historically and still currently to a large geographic area still means. Socially liberal people aren't an a problem, but also aren't liberals. Economic Liberals like Musk, Trump etc are an active threat to everyone. Themselves included.
Why do you lump the entirety of the West with the US when it comes to liberalism? The US is hardly a liberal country. For example, in my country, what's considered Liberal is considered conservative.
Liberalism outside the US is largely dominated by social liberalism, in which basic policies such as universal healthcare, a livable minimum wage, and a welfare state are taken as the baseline for governance. It's not left or right, it's standard. When people outside the US mention liberalism, they typically mean social liberalism, which the US severely lacks.
I believe most of the drama regarding liberalism v (insert here) stems from a US-defaultism perspective, which is wrong, since fuck the US. When I mention liberalism, I don't mean whatever backwards shit the US has going on.
I mentioned the US specifically. As a subsection of the west. Not lumping the west with it. That wasn't the intention.
You mean social democracy? Liberalism/capitalisms natural tendencies all trend towards consolidation and oligarchy. And has only been held at bay via social democracy. It's why they (the US specifically) have overthrown other democracies that wouldn't side with them. And eventually turned to cannibalizing and erasing their own democracy. As it gets in their way.
But yes, the US defaultism as you put it was getting at. It causes a lot of misunderstanding and needless drama.
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Yeah after looking at the history of Ukrainian anarchists I just don't understand how anyone could be a bigger threat than tankies.
It's because they're both communist, so Anarchists keep trying to believe in "Left Unity"
Anarchists who don't want to align with tankies are attacked for not believing in left unity, both by a few other anarchists and by many other tankies.
Somehow "left unity" always means everyone else adjusting to MLs and not the other way
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db0 is super cucked too. He pointed out that they have a red fash problem and unruffled disagreed. Now here they are banning "Zionist" bars, while openly being a Tankie bar.
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There is a crowd of people who will call you a zionist for anything. Yesterday someone reposted a neo Nazi and used Nazi language in their post title. Me calling them on it? Makes me a zionist, obviously.
Yeah I've had the same happen. It's very disheartening to see so many anti-zionists unknowingly repeat Nazi slogans and talking points. You point it out, you mention that 'hey, probably not a wise idea to use zio- since it's a term coined by David Duke'
and they call you the nazi. like bruh, i aint the one quoting the KKK. that's why I call them antisemitic, since if a neo-nazi was using the same arguments and excuses, I certainly wouldn't buy it.
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All because we don't let them do as they like. Feddit is welcome to everybody who sticks to the rules. And the rules make it automatically difficult for people who follow hateful ideologies. I try my best to be fair to our community. Meanwhile certain dbzer0 users want us to ban people for simply believing Israel should exist, even if they are opposed to Netanyahu's regime and want settlers out of the West Bank.
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dbzer0 seems like a silly place, let's not go there
"They comply by laws that limit obvious hate speach, which is why we should seperate us and segregate them [because we love hate speach as long as it is directed at the right people]".
Ridiculous, but seeing this post - good riddance. Still, what a dumb way to lose contributors to their instance.
I didn't take much from it, but one thing that surprised me is that they seem to think Europe is more pro Zionist than USA weirdly.
Not the governments, the people specifically.
Proving that so many of these communities are American circlejerks.
absolutely. so sick and tired of the yanks