Hold on to your tuques for the transphobic right wing shit deluge that's coming.
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It was going to be used as justification to confiscate guns, now it won't be. I can understand a right leaning person being happy they were trans.
Yup. They’re commit 90+% of the violence but this happens and we’re going to be hearing about it for a decade at least.
Something needs to be done about the massive amounts of illegal weapons coming up to Canada from the US. It’s a national emergency.
There are no indications this was an illegal weapon. It appears the suspect had a PAL and the firearms were legit. They were taken away by the police at one point because of domestic violence concerns, then an adult in the residence asked for them to be returned and they were.
Whoever made that decision to return the firearms is responsible for killing those kids.
PAL was expired though.
The point from my original post was the guns weren’t obtained illegally. If they belonged to another resident in the house and the suspect just had access to them that’s a different issue regarding safe storage.
I think you gotta build a wall. And make the US pay for it.
As an individual I want to express my condolences to everyone in Tumbler Ridge, and may the victims rest in peace. This is a national tragedy.
I hope the community is offered ongoing psychological care and that there is an immediate effort to mitigate physician shortages that they are already suffering.
To feel how I felt when I read the news this morning, I can’t even begin to imagine the grief, misery, anger, sadness, and whirlwind of emotions from those directly impacted.
There is a period of respect where politics on the matter should take a backseat, but I will say that the BC leadership and federal government should discuss what they have learned from this tragedy. I have no answers.
Right now, I just want to express my support to anyone who may be reading this that was affected. If anyone needs somebody to talk to privately, for any reason, please know I am here if you privately message me.
That period of “respect” needs to be incredibly short. As in, I’m sick of these highly political situations losing all their momentum as if that respects any of the victims, including, in some cases, the shooter.
This is a mental health crisis, likely a poverty issue, and a bunch of other things that we need to take apart now because we certainly don’t do it when things are calm.
This was a mental health crisis brought on by transphobia based on my reading.
Last trans shooter was a trans man and his shooting was brought on because he was a victim of sexual abuse and a cover up in a catholic school.
Only about 5 trans shooters since we started tracking, >90% men, <9% women, <1% trans.
Violence is the language spoken by the unheard. I do not excuse the shooters, but understand they are victims of their own material conditions.
We need to do better.
I agree. Violence is a societal issue, not an identity one.
The sooner we realise this, the better. Regardless of who you are, what your background is, what extreme things you are exposed to -- you do not go out and kill a bunch of innocent people unless there is something significantly wrong with your mental state.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. To phrase it a little differently; people need to provide a moment to show empathy, reflection, and assistance if possible. To let the event sink in. This gives the victims the acknowledgment and understanding they deserve, and makes the general public more deeply impassioned as a result.
Absolutely there needs to be political follow-up to dig to the root of the issue and take the necessary actions to prevent repeat cases.
That's horrible. My heart goes out to the victims and their families
yikes, it's the third worst shooting by deaths in the history of the country.
In Canada, not the US?? And the shooter was a woman??
#Girlpower
Breaking all the glass ceilings
Up to 10 dead, including the suspect, now.
How did 25 get injured??
Shrapnel and minor bullet wounds, getting caught in a panicked crowd... lots of ways.
W...t....f...
Some people are saying the shooter was trans. I didn't catch that in this article. What's the source for that?
Police said they were identifying Van Rootselaar in the same manner as she did in public and on social media. According to police, the 18-year-old was assigned male at birth, but began transitioning to female about six years ago.
Thanks
I hate it that that is now already a thing.
Who cares if he was trans or not? If he were gay, would that have mattered, somehow, like it matters where you stuffed your dick when you murder people? Does it matter that this asshole had a sex change?
He or she went and killed children. Being trans has shit to do with that, bit now it'll be "oohhh yeah, trans are child killers" coming from the right, I fucking guarantee it
I was not expecting to see something like this today...
For a second I thought this occurred in America; seems like an every day event here. Dang Canada, are you ok?
The sickness that's taken over America is very much alive and unwell in Canada.
Violence can happen anywhere there are humans.
seems like an every day event here.
What? The worst year for mass shootings in Canada looks like 2022, with 8 shootings. The one with the most casualties was in 1918 in Québec City, 4 dead 100 injured. Highest number of deaths was the 2020 Nova Scotia attacks with 23 dead and 3 injured, but that was a spree, not a single event. The highest deaths in a single event was in Montreal in 1989 with 15 dead 14 injured.
First shooting (on the Wikipedia article ) is 1902. For the most part it's 1-3 events a year, usually with 1-5 years between, until we get up towards the 90s and 00s.
Should we compare that with the US?
2024 saw 711 dead and 2375 wounded in 586 shootings.
2025 saw 420 dead and 1898 injured in 425 shootings.
As of 31st of Jan this year, 35 dead and 85 injured in 26 shootings.
Obviously the US is a poor comparison right?
So if we look at ONLY public mass shootings:
shootings that occur in public or semi-public spaces, perpetrated by one perpetrator, resulting in three or more victims randomly selected, with at least one fatality. Public refers to an open public space or public building, such as a school.
Definition and study.
And which excludes:
- family or felony mass shooting
- incidents involving state-sponsored violence
- battles over sovereignty
- organized terrorism
Between 2000 and 2022, in the US and comparable countries there were 144 public mass shootings across 36 countries, 20 of which had none. If we remove the US from the list (109 events), Canada is 3rd with 4 public mass shootings, all of which are post 2010. Mass shootings are trending upwards globally, which is certainly something to worry about, and something that we need to plan to prevent as a society.
So what's happening in Canada with gun crime?
Fucking America.... Lax ass gun laws that contribute heavily to gun violence in the States has a trickle down effect of people being able to go and just buy a gun, stick it under their seat, and drive back into Canada. Upwards of 75% of gun crime in Canada is perpetrated by someone with an illegally imported American firearm. Sweet.
Pretty sure they meant an everyday event in the US not in Canada.
That is what I meant. Before I finished reading the headline I thought this was taking place in America.
This wiki page goes back to the 19th century. Showing a school shooting in 1884. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_Canada
Sure, but if you read the article attached to the citation for the 1884 shooting, it sounds like it was an unhinged head teacher angry that the lady teacher didn't want his dick. It was an attempted murder suicide, that happened at a school, because that was their work place. The head teacher fired 3 shots from a revolver, wounding the teacher, then took his own life.
I think these weren't on the Mass Shootings list because they don't meet the criteria for it.
From the wiki page I linked in my OP:
This is a list of mass shooting and shooting sprees in Canada. Shootings with four or more victims are included on this list, excluding perpetrators.
Most of the school shooting list seems to be attacks targeting specific victims...and in one instance a door...
At least until the back half of the 20th century. From 1900-1999 there's 43 instances. Of those only 7 hit the required 4+ victims excluding attacker. All but one are post 1950. The one was 1902.
Even post 2000 the majority of instances are things like:
A student fired a rifle in a classroom at Lake Melville School during show-and-tell, hitting no one.
A student fired a gun on a school bus as he was being driven to school. The student and his friends convinced other occupants the gunshot was harmless and went to school still possessing the firearm. The school's vice-principal subdued the teenager at school and confiscated the firearm.
Or very much targeted attacks:
62-year-old Erhun Candir killed his wife, 47-year-old teacher Aysegul Candir, in the parking lot of Bramalea Secondary School.
2006 is the Dawson College shooting. The next one to go past the 4+ is 2012, a security guard at University of Alberta Edmonton attempted a robbery, killing 3 colleagues and wounding a 4th, attacker arrested attempting to cross the us border. Then the 2016 La Loche shootings. 2024 in Toronto. And then the Tumbler Ridge shooting just the other day.
One instance in the 19th century, 43 in the entire 20th(as above, only 7 are above the 4+), and the first quarter of the 21st has 29 total with the listed 4. Tumbler Ridge is literally the highest casualty school shooting since 1884. As of the latest update on your linked page 35 victims, 8 dead 27 wounded excluding the attacker. Next closest is the École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal end of '89, 28 victims, 14 dead 14 wounded excluding attacker.
Thanks for linking that, I hadn't thought to look up a Canadian school shootings list. Gives more context to the history of it in Canada. I feel like it's important to note that the vast majority of Canadian school shootings have less than 5 total wounded and dead including the attacker, with many that have no wounded at all. A lot of them seem to be "crimes of passion" (jilted lovers, kids bullied until they snap, etc.) and seem to have a single intended victim, or kids being fucking stupid with a gun their parent/guardian was too stupid to properly secure...
Here's the list for US school shootings 2000-2025. 25 year total 642 school shootings. Including attacker(s) total dead 498, total wounded 953. Of those 642 instances.....only 16 count as mass shooting events, 4+ victims excluding attacker.
It was actually really interesting going through all this data. Upsetting, but interesting.
And yet Canadian legal gun owners have to pay for that. With the gun bans of the past 6 years banned almost every semi-automatic rifle by name, grandfathering all handguns, and now shotguns are being added to the list.
They are also looking to expand rifle bans to include any rifle with a detachable magazine... news flash: most bolt-action rifles have detachable magazines.
Yeah, I'm not super versed in Canadian gun law, I never really had the interest 🤷.
That said, everything I've heard about new bans/restrictions coming in from my friends and family who hunt sound incredibly reactionary with no actual aim to fix the issues that they state are the aim....
The money being spent on the ban could be used much more effectively to reduce crime by investing it elsewhere such as mental health services. Many local police forces have refused to participate (its optional for them) citing their resources are better spent elsewhere which will push the costs onto the RCMP.
everythings the same folks will be like. look. canada is just like the us. its not about guns.
Why the fuck my man getting downvoted for actually doing the legwork. Thanks for all this.
I'm not sweating it bud, I definitely didn't have my reading comprehension hat on when I first read the comment I replied to. Most people vote by vibe, and even if I did a bunch of combing through lists and doing a write up, I started off a bit antagonistic.
I appreciate this though, I did put a lot of effort into it 😅