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Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

Feddit.org's explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:

  • They accept both pro- and anti-Zionist members, so it's not proof of a bias.
  • They [choose to] comply [in advance] with strict German / Swiss / Austrian laws regarding [overly broad] "antisemitic" language, or they might get in trouble.
  • Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu's genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.
  • Lots of Euros (and Germans specifically) are pro-Zionist, so they feel like they have to accommodate this view.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:

  • Explicitly prohibit pro-Zionist accounts from joining.
  • Take measures to resolve their claimed legal issues, e.g., moving their server location to a less regulated jurisdiction, and ensuring that admin accounts remain anonymous regarding their location.
  • Stop referring to folks who call for "Death to Israel" or similar as though they are the terrorists or violent extremists. The Zionist Israeli settlers, the murderous IDF rapists, and the entirety of the Israeli government are clearly the violent ethnostate extremists we should be worried about, not the Palestinians in Gaza who are fighting for their lives every single day against completely disproportionate levels of Zionist violence.

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.

I've also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:

This one says it all... mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It's apparently "xenophobic" to state a few hard truths.

If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.

Voting instructions

I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:

Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.

Downvote this post if you'd prefer not to ban these communities.

Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that's the better option, then we'll do that instead.

Note 3: Although I don't really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.

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[–] div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 Early Bird: a parrot, orangered colors Jolly Roger: an icon of pirate jolly roger skull wearing a hat, in orange-red, black and white colors A book with a loaf of bread in the cover  in orange-red, black and white colors Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

  • For: First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color (5), Vouched: a minimalist compass icon. Orangered color (5), MVP: a star icon, in orange-red, black and white colors (1), Powder Monkey: An icon of powder barrel in orange-red, black and white colors (1), Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors (1)
  • Against: Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors Vouched: a minimalist compass icon. Orangered color Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors
  • Local Community: +0.4
  • Outsider sentiment: Supportive
  • Total: +10.4
  • Percentage: 82.00%

This vote will complete in 4 days

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)
  • Ban users you don't want commenting in your instance, as you don't need to host their crap.
  • Don't treat your own users like children and let them decide what they want to read, where they want to comment, who they want to talk to.
[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

It's crazy how many people are still affected by old Fediverse promotional material, defederations are part of the nature of the Fediverse, and it doesn't make sense to pretend they aren't or that they are somehow antithetical to it. You aren't being limited from reading what you want you are free to make another account or use RSS feeds.

Honestly I think a lot of early Fediverse talking points would've applied much better to Nostr which is fully distributed and extremely 'censorship' resistant (defederation isn't really possible there). It's just that while most people think this libertarian style of operation sounds nice on paper it never shakes out so well in practice.

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Shared a meme about the whole situation in Fediverse Memes but apparently it stung a nerve somewhere (can't imagine why), so, 'm sharing it here. Might make a post in another adequate meme channel later if I find one.

[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

They get very butthurt when you call out their support of genocide.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 22 hours ago

Will do so in a moment, thanks for the pointer!

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Am I reading it correctly that it got removed as "spam" or is rule 5 something else?

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No, their Rule 5 is "we are not YPTB" by which I take it to mean they are not "in the business of" discussing how mods behave. Which is not somethng I was doing, so I don't see why it was banned for that reason to begin with (and also, it's a community about Fediverse memes, their business is literally dealing in memes about the fediverse).

[–] no_pasaran@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Do Feddit users come here and harass communities here with Zionism to an intolerable degree? If not, I am completely against defederation. It is wrong in principle and should only be considered as a last resort. And that is not the case here. Most Feddit users are just average people who probably don't even know what Zionism means. But we're excluding them all. This also applies to blocking “only” the communities. If you don't like them, block or ignore them yourself. But don't dictate that to me.

I want the Fediverse to be as open as possible. People like you are turning it into a walled garden. Isolated, small, and insignificant. Unfortunately, this seems to be an incurable tendency among left-wingers.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just to note, this is a community vote, not me enforcing my opinions on the instance. Sure I have my own opinion on the topic, but in reality I have very little influence over anyone else, and as proof of that not every vote passes. And in fact, our community members asked for this vote, not me. I have very little interest in feddit.org, personally, except when having to moderate their Zionist users.

I want the Fediverse to be as open as possible. People like you are turning it into a walled garden. Isolated, small, and insignificant. Unfortunately, this seems to be an incurable tendency among left-wingers.

I'm gonna quote Ada here, with one small addition []:

An instance that federates with everyone will end up defederated themselves, because they’ll end up full of bigots and trolls [and Zionists]

[–] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Ada is based as always.

[–] no_pasaran@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Even if the majority dictates it to me, it is wrong in principle. Furthermore, it is stupid, sectarian, mere symbolism, divides and weakens the Fediverse, and is unfair to all dbzer0 users like me, as well as to all feddit users who explicitly express anti-Zionist views there (and receive a lot of approval), as can be read in the discussion here, for example. All feddit users who are interested in anti-authoritarian topics will then be forced to make a decision. Future feddit users, i.e., most future German Lemmy users, won't even know that this instance exists. It's dumb in every way.

And of course it makes you excited to finally press that defederation button. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to so much trouble to list all the reasons for defederation and none against it. An anarchist admin on a power trip. What a fucking joke.

But go on. dbzer0 will then end up like one of those niche phpBB forums where there are 10 active users with >10,000 comments and every few months someone signs up and the first thing they get is the sacred forum rules thrown in their face.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Even if the majority dictates it to me, it is wrong in principle.

Which principle? Seems you are more angry at the Tyranny of the majority than anything else. As a reminder, we've never had a policy of federating with every instance in the fediverse.

An anarchist admin on a power trip.

Seeking broad consensus from our users is power tripping? That's a pretty shitty take tbh.

If you are willing to write up a proposal to withdraw some/all of our defeds then I'm willing to put it up for a vote, but I don't think it'll get much support tbh. See https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances for all our blocked instances and you can see for yourself what you are missing out on... stuff like threads, exploding-heads.com, kiwifarms.cc, posting.lolicon.rocks, and skinheads.io. We don't defederate for no reason, or do so often.

I think you are just upset because you like feddit.org, and are lashing out with personal attacks because you want someone to blame for the outcome of the vote. You are right that it is largely a symbolic act - one of solidarity with the Palestinians. Will it annoy some of our German users? Yes, it already has. But if I have to choose between an act of solidarity with our German users over how conveniently they can access a website, vs an act of solidarity with the Palestinian cause, then I'll pick the Palestinians every time. Because they are being killed right now with German weapons, by a German-trained IDF.

You don't seem to realize how out of step the majority of Germans are with the rest of the world on this issue, particularly in leftist communities.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Full list of all our defeds and the reasoning/evidence behind them: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

But you're harshing this community with it. Don't you see the eloquently composed backlash? Don't you see the two-bit for votes ('fck off nzis')?

I really don't understand what's going on. I thought anarchism was a little tougher than all this. This feels like you'd rather a vocal part of the community suffer fallout so that feddit gets a message. This shit stinks.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

I've been totally unimpressed with the level of thought behind the "for" votes as well.

In most cases there is zero discussion about actual impacts, whether intended or not. Many folks don't seem to be taking it as a governance decision and instead seem to just be voting "fuck Zionism". While I agree, it isn't the question being asked at all...

Aggravating and I don't like where this seems headed.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

While I don't entirely agree with your opinions on this, I think that this particular governance post has a drastically different and far more emotionally charged tone compared to even the last one, where the decision was made to explicitly make this horrid ideology against the rules. It's concerning, and I hope it is not a sign of things to come.

The many examples also don't show full context (especially what our users were responding to with such vitriol), and all of them feature harsh language from our users being removed. There's not a single one I saw there where someone was talking calmly and it was removed. (Edit: With the exception of cryptagion's one)

I grew up in the cesspool of 4chan. Conversation does not require calm and kind language to occur. I'm also not trying to police tone on topics like this... but it significantly undermines things if this is our best evidence.

I've been thinking long and hard on my feelings and response to this, and I'll be making my own top level comment in a day or two.

Got no issue throwing out the trash. Have no in-depth experience with feddit.org to go off of. But I have concerns with how this was brought to the community and what feels like a small but significant shift in administration approach lately, or at least the communication of it (not flatworm being the messenger, to be clear).

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Reddit.org is a Zionazi (apologist) bar. If you are a decent human being and still on there, that's on you TBH...

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but we have a choice to go there or not. Flatworm is taking that away. Not making this place safer. Taking options away.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

huh, nobody is taking anything away? This is a community vote

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes they are. A hot button topic where the only value they are creating is removing our access to a community. Narrowing the scope of this community.

This feels more like hacking democracy rather than saving us from genocidal zionistic propaganda.

edit: it feels like OP kept escalating, until they got a banhammer, than came home and said: 'See? Zionazis!'.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I never encountered Zionist trolls. Are they really that common? But I enjoy ich_iel so after a defet, I might use a different account more often.

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, ich_iel is the one saving grace the entire German fediverse has.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It's honestly the only German community I take notice of and I am German and filter all.

The only time I argued with Zionists in the fediverse was on the post here about blocking Zionists and they were pretty sure on .world even tho they sounded like Germans

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[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] LuhimeWired@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I don't get it, what does banning communities on other instances achieve? Does that mean that we won't see them?

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[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Zionism is just a fucked way of thinking. Nothing gives you more right to a home than someone else.

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[–] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My first comment on platform, supporting this ban

Usually i'm passive and value balance but seeing how all world is going past 6 months i've never been more ready to take hard stand and actually make any dent i can, this is far from enough

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[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

I've got a few thoughts on this.

First, its insane to me that someone could read the rules and decide anti-zionist is anti-semitic. That is either someone who doesn't understand words and has no interest in learning them, or is someone actively zionist (and supports genocide, thus the issue with zionism).

Second, I've got my complaints about what I'm seeing from the flotilla/friendly instances.

  • Someone saying "Fuck off you piece of trash" getting banned from a community is in no way a surprise.
  • The same goes for "You'll get the wall"
  • Same for "kys"
  • Same for calling someone a Nazi for what I assume is a supportive comment about the war in Ukraine. Just to note, don't bother trying to respond to me with anything about Russia being in the right on this one. I'll just block.

Third, there are quite a few comments there that are completely appropriate (support for Israel is support for genocide, etc), the thread about quokk.au is utterly nonsensical to me, as are the discussions in MoG (which shouldn't really be a surprise).

To sum up my thoughts.... At no point do I regret voting in support of rule 8. I am really disappointed by some of the comments I'm seeing being used as support for de-federating though, some of those are just disgusting.

Overall, I'm in support of dropping the comms due to the blatant zionist posts that go on there.

Edit: formatting fuckup, and a whole word.

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[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My opinion is more or less that we shouldn’t cut ourselves off from big communities if their theme is not centered on endorsing crimes and if they’re not a community solely for whitewashing them / spreading disinfo.

I think a lot of German speaking users are people who have been exposed to only a narrow view of the world and that they can be valuable allies in the long run. Our instance has been relatively successful at bridging many gaps, I think it would be a shame to defederate entirely.

I’ve seen some questionable takes in places like YUROP but it’s no worse than a large enough .world thread or shjw thread.

My thoughts are unchanged since January. Strikes system for external users promoting imperialism (and the lebensrauming of me, I’m in Lebanon!) on our instance, a special text in German because of how prevalent this issue is among German people. And banning Zionists from signing up to the instance. I’m sure a fellow Arabic speaker could imagine a similar situation for antisemitism. It’s the socialism of fools after all. Surely concern trolling about women’s rights in Gaza is a sort of (subtly imperialist) feminism of fools?

I want the tent to be as big as possible. I want those who excuse these crimes to be exposed to as much common sense as possible. I don’t want them to feel like they have the mainstream opinion anymore.

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