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[–] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Inner angle sum: 0°

[–] _skj@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

But when a charismatic idiot says that it's obviously a square, you need a way to prove to third party that your interpretation is correct. Though don't be surprised when some people listen to the charismatic idiot anyway

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Imagine your mathematician friend has gone blind and says, "naaaah, pretty sure it's a hexagon, prove me wrong, brah."

All maths problems should be like this.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 days ago

Mathematical proofs are quite fascinating, actually. At least for my autistic ass!

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

"naaaah, pretty sure it's a hexagon, prove me wrong, brah."

Its got three sides motherfucker how the hell is it a fucking hexagon?

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The act of saying it has three sides is a proof.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

Part of a proof. We'd also need to know that the three sides form a polygon.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 8 points 4 days ago

A hexagon also has three sides.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 4 days ago

it could have six sides and three 180 degree angles

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 days ago

All I'm saying is, years after the fact, i wish i paid more attention to math and "stupid" proofs. A lot of coding/scripting logic can be derived from them.

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

My autistic ass is saying "count the corners tri means 3 and angle means those pointy bits"

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Don't be obtuse.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Triangle, "has 180 degrees," subtends 360 degrees.

Circle, "has 360 degrees," the sum of the interior angles is infinite.

(I'm not actually confused, it's just that "a circle has 360 degrees" and "a triangle has 180 degrees" is a little annoying in that they use different definitions.)

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A circle has 360° discreet 1° angles. While there's a theoretically infinite number of angles within a circle, those angles would need to have an infinitesimally small fraction of a degree. If you divide a circle into 3600 angles, each angle would be 0.1°

A segment of a circle is also measured as an arc corresponding to a vertex facing outwards from the center. A triangle's vertices on the other hand face inwards. The sum of those angles is always 180°. If you juxtapose a circle on top of it, yes, it goes all the way around since it's a closed shape. But if you place the three vertices side by side so that their lines line up, it'll only cover half of the circle.

There's no inconsistency.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

If you take a circle to be the limit of a polygon as the number of sides goes to infinity, then you have infinite interior angles, with each angle approaching 180deg, as the edges become infinitely short and approach being parallel. The sum of the angles is infinite in this case.

If you reduce this to three sides instead of infinite, then you get a triangle with a sum of interior angles of 180deg which we know and love.

On the other hand, any closed shape (Euclidean, blah blah), from the inside, is 360deg basically by definition.

It's just a different meaning of angle.

See, for example, the internal angle sum, which is unbounded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_polygon

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Except that the angle of a circle's circumference is measured as an arc with the vertex at the center, and to include an infinite number of angles you would need to reduce the degrees accordingly to avoid overlapping

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly my point, there are two different colloquial ways of talking about angles. I am not claiming there is a mathematical inconsistency.

Colloquially, a "triangle has 180 degrees" and a "circle has 360 degrees." Maybe that's different in different education systems, but certainly in the US that's how things are taught at the introductory level.

The sum of internal angles for a regular polygon with n sides is (n-2)×pi. In the limit of n going to infinity, a regular polygon is a circle. From above it's clear that the sum of the internal angles also goes to infinity (wheres for n=3 it's pi radians, as expected for a triangle).

There is no mystery here, I am just complaining about sloppy colloquial language that, in my opinion, doesn't foster good geometric intuition, especially as one is learning geometry.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I see. That almost makes sense, but pi radians = 180°

Also, the value of one internal angle of a regular polygon is (n-2)×(π÷n), in which case π÷n is infinitesimally small. In other words, substituting infinity for n would be incalculable, and even if it were, adding them together wouldn't equal infinity because the larger n is, the smaller each individual internal angle.

It's not about colloquialism or language, there are immutable principles of geometry, and adding the internal angles of a triangle gives you 180°, whether you express it as such or as π radians or 3200 mils or something completely different doesn't matter. That's just changing the unit of measurement but the underlying principle is the same.

Circles can be confusing and counterintuitive, but that's why they need an irrational number in order to be expressed. If you're measuring the internal angle you'll probably express it as an arc, because infinite and infinitesimal numbers are impossible to express rationally.

Take for instance, calculating angular momentum with a circle. You have to calculate it based on the tangent because the circle itself doesn't give you any constancy otherwise.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 2 points 3 days ago

That almost makes sense, but pi radians = 180°

Right, a triangle "has 180deg," like I said.

in which case π÷n is infinitesimally small. In other words, substituting infinity for n would be incalculable

That's not how limits work. Substitution is not the same as taking the limit.

infinite and infinitesimal numbers are impossible to express rationally.

That's not true at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF

It's not about colloquialism or language

Having one word (or phrase) with two meanings is a property of language.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

It's just a down-on-it's-luck square

Well it could be a quadrilateral, for another point was made.