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Gross. Ok, who's the next best competitor? Matrix?
XMPP, by a landslide.
Are there any clients or servers that support group voice/video cals?
Movim has the best support, but I think Dino also has support
Stoat is probably the best competitor, although it shot itself in the leg by changing its name recently. It's also missing video and screen sharing last time I checked, and the audio functionality barely works.
Matrix is utter chaos as far as organization goes. When you join a Discord community, chats are clearly laid out and separate from private messages or group chats. When you join a Matrix community, you must individually choose extra group chats to join, and they are often indistinguishable from things happening outside that community. It's messy. And we haven't even gotten to video or voice.
XMPP makes Matrix look organized and feature-complete. Good luck corralling a group of people onto that platform and figuring out disparate servers and disparate apps... I wouldn't recommend it.
Basically, I don't think the open source space has an answer to this, and I don't think they can come up with one anytime soon.
Matrix works fine, and is getting better. Element is not the best client for it.
Xmpp is good if you're not stupid.
I don't think any client can fix the lag in matrix. For example, a room with high traffic but low messages will always be super slow to load messages, because it also has to load state events. (And Matrix communities used as an alternative to a Discord server will be generating a lot of that "join" and "leave" room traffic.)
I found this out the hard way when I tried out the Commet client.
I also think the way a lot of people use discord needs to not be a chat in a chat client. It needs to be the 'discuss' page on a fucking wiki and i swear putting that shit on chat has lost us collectively a decade of knowledge.
I agree with you, especially when it comes to tech stuff. But those people are only one group - and Discord actually does a better job filling the needs of other groups (thanks to its marriage of streaming and messaging technology) that alternative apps can't really compete with.
Put a fucking irc window in the fucking page for questions.
The shit i have seen put on discord is staggering.
Spaces work pretty well if your client handles them
Stoat is the best option imo
Stoat
Matrix is great as long as you know how to use it and keep it organized. It's Element client used to mix contacts and group chats but that's better now on web/desktop and on mobile you just need to add group chats to favorites and select the space you want to limit your browsing to (or use FluffyChat on mobile).
There's also Zulip, which is actually closer to Slack.
If you're on PC, use Discord as a gaming VoIP chat and you're already using Steam I'd tell you to take a peek at Steam's voice settings and either use that or disable Steam's overlay if you don't like it for whatever reason. In my experience Steam's chat performs much better than Discord but can be trickier to configure for some.
XMPP has an experimental XEP for group spaces too, but who knows if it'll be ready soon or used in apps for all major platforms.
Damn, no Jitsi or Mattermost talk? Instead people are bringing up non-battle tested projects?
Matrix, at least for group chats, does use integrated jitsi
Lol I've never been a big discord user, but this will definitely stop me from ever using it.
So many indie games and open-source projects (ironic right?) use Discord.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah that was fucking stupid and i told so so many of them so.
That's well timed! I've been migrating to Matrix this past month.
Big thank you to Discord for lighting their entire business on fire 🖕
Genuinely grateful.
Sadly, not enough people will realise Matrix is a shitty alternative.
Simplex is a project made by a very weird dude who's very weird about his politics, and they are jumping headfirst into cryptocurrency and NFTs. I would have said it looked like a promising project a couple of years ago, but no longer.
(From a technical standpoint, it's also just a messaging app with groups. At that point, you might as well use Signal or Delta as a backup)
The more insane someone is, the more I trust their code. Governments and super intelligent AI have no chance at deciphering code that was delivered direct to a human from God himself. RIP Terry.
Unfortunately, he's way more Brendan Eich than Terry Davis.
Okay that's a solid point.
I'll take delta chat thanks
Just deleted that crap arse app and profile. Never used it anyways. Be brave... it is the least you can do. Just do it!!! I would rather stare at the wall grabbing my hog then to bow to the ziocorponazis and their trojan horse dragnet slop app. Done Son.... This is our moment!!!! Don't be lame and puss out pc turds. I can see you crying attached to your lame arse world you think you have online. I will not be a beta. With my hog in my hand I will proudly stare at the wall and NUKE any account I have to. I have no attachments I want nothing you have to offer. HOLD THE LINE.
Some accpunts require you to type stuff, and on linux if you added a repo youll have to type to remove it.
Might go faster with a toy so you can have both hands free.
I hardly ever used it, so I'm not even a blip on their radar, but I just deleted my account and deleted the app off my phones.
I made the mistake of signing up for Discord with a new email address a couple years ago and the amount of spam I started getting to that email was insane. I wasn't using that email to sign up for any other accounts yet so I know it was them. Happened like a week after signing up, I figured they just immediately turn around and sell whatever info they get from their users as soon as they get it. I won't be giving them anything else, thanks.
Strange, I used an alias with them years ago and nothing ever gets sent to it.
So none of you actually read beyond the headline, huh?
Well, either they know my old account is an adult account or it's probably easy to break by using a YouTube video in the way that YouTube's own age verification is broken by YouTube videos.
It would probably be easy to break with a fake ID but people are iffy about those methods and refuse to speak about the existence of them.
Yeah probably, but I broke YouTube's age verification with a video from Evan Edinger and odds are discord will have the same flaw and I'll use the same guy again. Or discord will just know I'm older but YouTube didn't despite a 14yo account.