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Baldur’s Gate 3 is a story-rich, party-based RPG set in the universe of Dungeons & Dragons, where your choices shape a tale of fellowship and betrayal, survival and sacrifice, and the lure of absolute power. (Website)

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Ex-Skyrim Developer Explains the Key Difference Between Bethesda Games and Baldur’s Gate 3 | IGN (www.ign.com)
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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 88 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's worth noting that this guy is talking not of old Bethesda but modern Bethesda. The writing team behind Morrowind and half of Oblivion absolutely cared about the details that only 1% of people might see. Morrowind especially is a world built around you exploring the world building. It's not about levelling up (wowee I can miss the flying fuckheads 2% less now), it was about exploring the politics and cultures in the world.

At some point, Bethesda games became about the mechanical exploration, about going over there because that looks like it might be interesting, oh it's just a cave with combat in it oh well maybe over there will be interesting.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.

[–] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Skyrim is a great game.... for its time. Todd Howard is the blight on the games industry for putting so many resources toward so many Skyrim remasters/re-releases/money grabs. Even if he outsourced all that work, those are dev houses he could have spent their time helping Bethesda actually fill their huge open worlds and perhaps get the same feeling of "every decision actually matters" that Larion did.

[–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 12 points 2 years ago

It's good in some ways. I was disappointed in the removal of attributes and how the equipment stats were kind of simplified and boring. The lack of proper stat scaling, since there's no stats.

I was also sad to see spellmaking go.

There's still plenty of good in it, don't get me wrong.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Skyrim is great if you want to be a stealth archer.

[–] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is there any other way to play?

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No. That’s why it’s the only time Skyrim is a good game.

[–] Nima@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

every build is viable. the stealth archer meme seems a bit overdone to me.

[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Skyrim is twelve years old.

[–] subignition@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the stagnation it caused in the genre is evident, no?

[–] halvo317@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Baldur's Gate 3 all draw influence from Skyrim. I think open world games are better because of Skyrim.

[–] subignition@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Dragon Age: Inquisition and Witcher 3 both began development in the same year Skyrim released. I don't know if I can really say they were influenced by Skyrim because of the timing, but I haven't played either.

Baldur's Gate 3 drawing influence from Skyrim I will have to vehemently disagree with. That assertion just makes no sense at all.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Bethesda makes a buggy mess of a semi-passable base game and relies on free labor to turn it into a playable and interesting game.

Larian doesn’t.

There’s your difference.

[–] TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Saved me a click. Thanks!

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think a very good distinction is the open-worldness of Elder Scrolls. When you have a virtual map spanning hundreds of acres, all of which you can visit, means the content gets thinned out and walking/climbing/riding around turns into a grind. Not every corner of BG3 has some amazing secret stowed away but I can't think of any place I've visited so far that felt like a waste of my time.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

I think it's a symptom of the old trend of making games 'bigger'. Fallout 4 was four times bigger than Fallout 3 for example.

Bigger isn't better. I want a world where I don't feel the need to fast travel because I know I'll have fun getting to my destination.

[–] delitomatoes@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

Elden Ring had a hybrid approach, oh look a cave, but 80% of the optional areas had interesting enemies, layouts and loot.

Definitely over tuned some extras, but for such a big game it was way better than Shrines or Koroks in Zelda

[–] Radio_717@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That’s one of the best parts about out Bv games- nothing feels contrived.

[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it attention to detail? It’s attention to detail, isn’t it?

[–] Kadaj21@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Read that as Astarion, so thanks! Lol

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sadly I'm one of those people who doesn't enjoy turn based combat, so I always preferred elder scrolls, warts and all.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Balder's Gate 3 is so much more than combats

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sure but there's combat in it, and I can't deal with turn based at all

[–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago

For me turn based is great because you can chill and think about your next move. You don't have to rely on instinct. I love me some soulslike but sometimes just chilling is great.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So you have turn based allergies? Have you noticed that all those so called non turn based games have things like cool downs and reloads which are just turn based in disguise? Actually real life also takes turns which we call "days" to lie to the turn based haters. They never knew we were all in a turn based game from the beginning.

[–] Cringe2793@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The guy doesn't like turn based games, just let him dislike it. People have preferences.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

I am! I just want to help him to hate more games and life

[–] milkisklim@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

... Is this a copypasta? It feels like it should be one.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

things like cool downs and reloads which are just turn based in disguise?

Those are categorically not turn-based lol

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago

What a weird reply and dedication to turn based. But no, I despise it, final Fantasy made me hate turn based and not a single turn based game has been able to undo that hate.

[–] Everblue@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Love people down voting you for having an opinion. Some people don't like turn based, that's that. I enjoyed BG3 but I just can't bring myself to start another game, maybe in a couple months or a year. Trying to get through the main storyline in starfield so I can move on to some of the new games coming out, but I keep getting sidetracked.

I played DOS:2 so knew exactly how combat in bg3 would be. Just has a coat of d&d paint is all.