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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (11 children)

How did bland ass food become the hallmark of cuisine for white middle-class americans? I mean, fuck, just oven roasting those breasts would make them taste.... I say this as a white dude from Canada

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Racism. Honestly. Spices were seen for peasants and came from foreign lands. Over the generations it just became normal to come from a family with bland ass food.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Edit: I'm wrong, and I learned something new!

Spices were associated with rotting food, because they were often used to cover up the flavor of overly game-y meat — at least that was common in the U.S. .

I don't think you can blame people for eventually realizing that if a piece of meat has a suspicious amount of spice on it, it might just make you sick. You also can't blame someone for being averse to the flavor afterwards — spice kicks twice, and if that second kick is also associated with one of the most violent shits you've ever taken... well you get the picture.

That being said, I do love spice. Not a terribly huge fan of the second kick, but such is life.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Poor people using spices to cover rotting food is a complete myth falsely attributed to the Middle Ages. Spices were incredibly expensive and a luxury limited to the upper class - anyone rich enough to afford spices did not have to worry about rotting food.

The actual reason for the perceived blandness of White American food is basically the converse of this. Stereotypical white suburban food is probably closest to mid western cuisine.

The mid west was uniquely isolated from Spanish, French, or Italian influence (which were heavier in tastes), lacked international trade to get any spices, and as the nation's bread bowl specialised in and received lots of subsidies for growing staple crops, like corn.

Ethnically, its white populace is overrepresented by more Anglo ethnicities, like the British, German, and Nordic, which also had more, shall we say, limited palates.

Spices Were Used to Mask the Taste of Bad Meat in the Middle Ages? - https://culinarylore.com/food-history:spices-used-to-cover-taste-bad-meat/

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Hey just two things.

Firstly, the word your looking for is Germanic not Anglo, Anglo basically means English since it's one of the founding tribal groups that became the English alongside the Saxons and Jutes, calling the Germans Anglo is like calling the French Aragonese sure they both speak a Latin descended language but that's cause they are linguistic cousins.

Secondly, as someone descended from both inland Southern and Northern stock Southerners fucken love spices compared to my kin who take more after our Great lakes or Northwestern Appalachian ancestors. So yeah that part checks out.

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[–] starik@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s not really true. Everyone likes flavorful food. Most Americans season their food plenty.

If a hallmark of your culture is that your people love “food, family, and fun”, your culture may not be as unique as you think.

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[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Not all of us are that bad. I'm making tamales next week and getting gyros tomorrow

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, it really is a white middle class issue huh? My mom is from a rural area and could keep up with most professional chefs in the taste department. When my parents divorced, my dad got with one of the most stereotypical "Karen"s who've ever witnessed. She hated me because I refused to eat anything she had a hand in making. Ffs, I always made the deviled eggs for Thanksgiving ever since I was a child, here and her daughters said they won't eat them if I put onion and relish in them. Needles to say, they did not eat my deviled eggs.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could I get that deviled eggs recipe? That actually sounds fire af, I kinda wanna try it.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's pretty much a play by ear situation, as madre taught me!

But it's pretty much 1/2 yolks 1/4 mustard & 1/4 mayo, healthy scoop of finely diced onions and non sweet relish. Season appropriately, but mine was usually Mrs. Dash and Tony C's more spicy variant.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

How did bland ass food become the hallmark of cuisine for white middle-class americans? I

I'm pretty sure it didn't, it is just something people like to say on the internet.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No idea. I'm having wings and tacos on Sunday.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As someone who moved from one country to the other, Canada's food is sooooo much better than the US's by comparison

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm certain this varies wildly by region. The US, and Canada, are both massive.

Northeast and Southwest US have incredible food.

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I don't know, but anecdotally, my experience is that it's mostly poorer and older folks that trend towards bland foods. It's what they grew up with and what they know, and to them a lot of the recipes are tradition / comfort food. They simply weren't exposed to a lot of spices and taste profiles growing up so they didn't develop an appreciation for it and have no desire to step out of their comfort zone.

A lot of them were from large families and families that basically only ate what they raised and grew, for generations. They might've spent money to buy a small amount of extras like white sugar, bleached flour, salt, and maybe black pepper. And then in terms of produce, most of what was grown was staple foods, and a limited selection of easy to manage herbs like mint and dill that they could grow in a season then use or preserve.

Obviously that's a bit over simplified and not every family and every body's story is exactly alike, but it generally holds true to varying degrees in most of the cases of "blandfooditis" I've encountered.

Then there's also the nature of a lot of larger families having to prepare meals for the least common denominator. Grampie can't have too much salt, Grammie can't chew cause she doesn't have any teeth, Gina is diabetic, Braxton is allergic to pepper ... so you end up with a lot of plain boiled meals simply because that's the easiest/cheapest option that everybody can have.

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[–] chefdano3@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Fetus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe it's time to grab your boom box and hit the TURBO BASS.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 8 points 1 week ago

What happened next was a total disgrace...

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

5 min rice. Cause as a white person I can tell you. White people generally don't know how to cook rice.

I was taught by my Vietnamese neighbor when they brought me some left overs and I proclaimed. "How did you get this rice cooked just like at a restaurant.? Every time I've tried to cook rice it's just this big ol sticky gooey mess."

She's like. "I have a rice cooker. I'll show you how I do it"

And that was when I learned that you have to rinse the rice first. And I've never bought a bag of rice that said to do this in the instructions. How would we know?

Thank God for my neighbor. I've been telling other white people.

So many now ask me. "Dani. How does one make rice that doesn't turn into a big soggy clump?". They see ive gained some elusive secret that's forbidden to our kind. I tell them the secret is. RINSE THE RICE.

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And that was when I learned that you have to rinse the rice first.

That's a myth actually, you don't need to do it. It comes out completely fine without washing the rice. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3CHsbNkr3c

The rice cooker makes a difference though. They are pretty interesting from a technological perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTNhvDGbYI

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That has not been my experience. Also I don't have a rice cooker. If I don't rinse it, it becomes a big gooey mess.

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

I recommend using a rice cooker, but it's also possible to get good results with a regular pot and appropriate heat/fluid levels.

I don't rinse my rice for the rice cooker and it comes out perfectly fluffy and pleasant each time. I do however stir it a little, such that the grains don't stick together after having poured in the water.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I knew that second link was going to be Technology Connections, hah.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I have always cooked rice in a pot (family from Louisiana, they literally grow rice there) but when I met my husband he was so mystified by dry rice, he'd been using microwave bags of rice.

I rinse long grain rice, and brown rice, but soak short grain sticky rice, and for some dishes, saute dry rice in butter or olive oil before cooking it. One of my kids used to cook it like pasta in a lot of water then drain it, I don't think this is a one right way situation.

Puerto Rican food is delicious for sure. My DIL says it's "saucy not spicy".

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

You'll actually find rice instructions that say not to rinse the rice if you don't want to wash away some of the nutritional benefits. I've had mixed success with the rinsing, I've made near-perfect unrinsed rice and soggy clumpy nastiness from rinsed rice. I think it's more about controlling the water ratio and the heat. I'm currently on the "boil water, add to rice, and bake" train as I've had the most success with this method. However I'm also usually making rice for 60 people at a time and don't have an industrial rice cooker, you just can't do the "bring to a boil, simmer, and cover" method with that much rice. Or I can't anyway.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

huh. i don't rinse the rice but i get the same "hey, no one makes rice like he does" talk around the white people water coolers. it's just following the rice:water ratios and using a little oil and salt.

are you rinsing until the water is clear or just a quick rinse? because my electric pressure cooker makes a damn good rice cooker i'm not changing that part of my method.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I rinse in the pot. Add water, mix it around, drain, repeat until mostly clear. The more the better, but mostly clear already takes five or more rinses. Finally I do 1.5x the rice weight of water (400g rice and 600g water is my usual recipe size). Then I set the pressure cooker to 4 minutes and let it naturally release pressure once it's done.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Rinse until clear. That's what my neighbor taught me. Also I use a regular non stick sauce pan with a lid. I don't have a rice cooker.

Basically boil with a little butter . Then turn to low heat. Cover. And after about 15 min, it's perfect.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a fellow cracker ass cracker, all the bags of rice I buy tell my dumbass to rinse the rice first

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Weird. I mostly buy mine from aldi. Maybe those brands just leave that out.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or I'm wrong because I've only looked on basmati and jasmine rice... which I never manage to prepare correctly for what's it's worth

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

You are missing out. Those are the best ones, imo.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Just needs a piece of broccoli a tortilla and one other thing

[–] persona_non_gravitas@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Okay, that chicken looks disgusting, but really. Minimalist cooking celebrating the ingredients without leaning into spices is a whole thing. Sashimi? Cong you bing? Tamago gohan? Spaghetti aglio e olio? Fresh bread or "new potatoes" with butter? Finnish salmon soup (clear or creamy)? How could you not appreciate those just as much as a well-seasoned flavor bomb?

Also to defend european cuisine, yes chicken is boring, that's why actual European recipes would also drown it other stuff: coq au vin, arroz con pollo (Spanish variant), frango piri-piri, chicken paprikash, Kyiv chicken...

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you are purposefully leaving food unseasoned to experience its natural flavor, you are fine.

We are talking about people scared of a lil paprika in a situation that clearly calls for it.

Edit: all the dishes you named as unseasoned… they all have seasoning except sashimi and buttered potatoes. Soy sauce, garlic, and Sichuan pepper are seasoning/spices. And Sashimi is typically eaten with soy sauce AFAIK.

Nothing in this meme makes fun of European cuisine. It makes fun of a very specific subsection of White people in the U.S. who would watch the TPUSA halftime show instead of Bad Bunny.

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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Oh it's chicken!

I thought it was ranch dressing or something. Just big globs of it.

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[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What on earth is this about?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Toilet Paper USA (The propaganda network of old bleedy neck) is doing a counter show to the super bowl half time show because, well I don't actually know their verbal reasoning but I'm pretty sure it's racism or some other inane reactionary response.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

The joke I saw is, "They're mad that brown people have the right to exist, so they're doing their own kkkickoff."

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is there anyone here from Puerto Rico, I've a serious question. Does anyone there actually like American football?

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The NFL also holds games in London, Berlin, and Mexico City. They are usually pretty sold out games

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 6 points 1 week ago

I only eat the pixels of my enemies.

[–] LemmyShemmy@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I am white and was born in. Australia then moved to US and for the life of me I can't eat bland European food. I was invited for dinner at friends place who is British and they served me chicken. I took the first bite and couldn't eat more.

To be polite, I said sorry I need to use the washroom, came back and said I am nor feeling well and want to go home. They were concerned but I dont think they suspected anything. I went my merry way and thanked them for the food.

[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm brown from a spice-heavy ethnicity and I love bland food. I must've been a medieval monk or something in a past life...

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[–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

You should probably be careful not to generalise from a single example. There are people who can't cook all over the world.

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