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If only we had a way to remove dangerous bacteria from milk. We could name it after its inventor... /sarcasm.
On the other hand, this is survival of the fittest. If you're willing to take risks with your foetus' health by drinking unpasteurized milk, maybe you shouldn't be a parent...
The funny part is that some people in the raw milk community have started heating the milk before consumption to reduce the risk of illness. They swear its not pasteurization though, that's something different and bad.
Can't fix stupid, I guess. These are the same people that would fall for the "there's chemicals in water, called DHMO!" meme.
They swear its not pasteurization though, that’s something different and bad.
That French, Yurrupeen socialism.
Dying by the shits is the way God intended.
It's nice that heating milk kills bacteria and viruses; but doing it too much can damage taste and nutrition. That's why I've been experimenting with ways to minimize the temperature and time needed to sanitize milk without otherwise damaging it. The deep state will never get me to drink pasturized milk!
you could filter it but that would require leftist science.
Idk if you can filter milk without really making a different product.
Personally I think we'll continue to have problems if misinformation is never found culpable of the deaths that they cause. There's no way this person decided to drink unpasteurized milk alone. Who was her community and why aren't they being held accountable? I have the same concerns with the head of the HHS, and previous cases of stochastic terrorism. Our system of justice (or what it once was...) is just illprepared for this.
Yeah, the problem is these people bond over being ignorant pieces of shit.
It gets to the point where everyone is supposed to know the "meta" information and anyone who tries to be serious about something is ridiculed.
Man for real. I just lost a friend to this conspiracy bs
Half my family died during COVID before the vaccines were released because they thought it wasn't real.
Idiots.
Good point. Sadly it's too easy to spread misinformation and remain unchecked.
Rugged individualism is a cancer that prevents us from enacting change on systems.
Google find me a website about why pasteurization is bad.
ChatGPT explain why raw milk is good and pasteurized milk is bad.
Imo these people are often being served what they want. The easiest things to do may be a series of truth in advertising related laws:
A) make chatbot companies liable for anything a chatbot tells a user (regardless of disclaimers),
B) a law that encodes similar levels of editorial process for large websites and social media power users as wikipedia: citations needed for any claim. (Note such a law would probably kill the right wing media overnight, if enforced)
C) affiliation disclosure requirements. For both social media users and websites. Farmers selling raw milk shouldn't also be hosting misinfo sites on pasteurization.
And finally: D) media algorithm transparency
I'm all for going after people who purposely spread misinformation. But I don't think this is solely on them. It's to easy to just blame them and absolve the individual of any responsibility of critical thought. It's not like information about pasteurized milk and the benefits isn't readily available. But they choose to ignore it, so that's on them too.
This isn’t survival of the fittest. Not one baby in human history was responsible for their own fitness or survival. This is survival of the poorly educated, poorly resourced, poorly connected communities. They’re trying to make ends meet with a baby, and unfortunately they couldn’t do that in a safe manner. It’s a tragedy, a hallmark of human life.
The baby hadn't been born yet. The would-be mother drank unpasteurized "raw" milk.
That's not a case of being poor or poorly resourced. It's a lot harder to source unpasteurized milk than it is to find milk that is safe to drink. You have to really go out of your way to buy that!
This is survival of the poorly educated, poorly resourced, poorly connected communities.
Or this is the "find out" moment for a MAGA housewife who spent the last year cheering on RFK Junior and yellilng about the "woke agenda" of pasteurization.
The point is, we don't know. But since RAW milk is both more expensive AND more inconvenient to obtain, I'm going to go with my theory over a poor mother.
Sorry, I didn’t read the “New” in the title; shame on me. Nonetheless, unless this was murder, they were poorly educated and working with propagandized information. I don’t pity them for picking the side they did. I do pity them for the circumstances that led to them believing it was the right choice when they had.
Actually it's not a failure of the poorest of societies. Most the people that are these raw milk drinkers are usually people that are middle class to well off. The poorer end of the spectrum normally just purchase whatever regular milk is in the store cuz that's usually what WIC or mom and baby or whatever else is paying for.
Survival of the fittest doesn't only or even usually apply to a single individual. It only applies to populations and only over a long period of time. Plus the whole thing has been debunked anyways, evolutionary pressure only works till meh good enough levels, not beyond that. It's just a bad saying all round.
To all the people defending raw milk because it doesn't have chemicals added: heating up milk also doesn't have chemicals in it.
I look forward to complaints from the raw chicken lovers.
I'd like to state that milk DOES have chemicals in it, just typically not added ones.
Some people are so unbelievably stupid it's sad. On the other hand, there's very little difference in taste/texture versus non-pasteurized milk, some people think they prefer the taste of raw milk when what they're really enjoying is non-homogenized milk, which is still pasteurized.
If only we had a way to remove dangerous bacteria from milk
If only just heating the milk for 30 minutes could prevent these deaths. Welp, what to do.
Hmmm it’s kind of like the exact same reason we started pasteurizing in the first place.
Pasteurization? That's UNNATURAL! No one wants all that done to their milk. They want it RAW!
Yea, most of these RAW milk people dont realize its basically just low temperature boiling. They think they are adding acid or antibiotics or soething.
L.monocytogenes has the big issues of needing very few active colonies to cause trouble, especially to kids. It could trigger an infection so easily and across such a huge range of foodstuff and products or even basic ingredients that it's scary.
Now, thankfully, modern science (10000 bC ~ today) found out that heat deals with such things just fine. Especially since a guy named Pasteur understood that a mild thermic process might be enough to deactivate most patogens. Even better yet more people later on found out that high temperature can even destroy most pathogens if applied for a rational number of cicles and time. Not enough to damage the nutritional properties. Just about enough to do what the doom guy does with these demons to the pathogens and other microbes.
Turns out drinking untreated food products is severly dangerous. When and where did this trend start.
This seems to be another example of people not understanding the most basic exponential function.
If you have 3% listeria... And it doubles every minute. In 5 minutes you have full-blown listeria and you're dead....
Dying from the end result of a superstitious, anti-science, anti-intellectual outlook...
Nature is healing?
They're not dying though they're killing their kids.
Cool, they can be used as a cautionary tale. If you want your child to survive infancy don't be like that dumbass over there.
meh..can always have more kids....
“The measles wasn’t that bad. They got over it pretty quickly,” the mother said of her other four surviving children who were treated with castor oil and inhaled steroids and recovered.
what's the RFK death toll now? Must be in the hundreds.
It was like 70 school kids before he took office.
Raw milk, it's the new abortion drug of choice. Now fully legal and endorsed by conservatives!!!
Pro-infanticide bumper stickers in '28
There should be much higher safety testing requiremnts for raw milk if people are going to sell it in stores. Every raw milk outlet should need to hire a microbiologist to ship it offsite.
I can't fathom a reason why pasteurization shouldn't be required.
Same, but source contol is a real method that works for this kind of thing when done well.
Europe does source control with eggs. By very strictly monitoring sources they can prevent outbreaks and don't need to soak eggs in a chlorine solution like we do here.
This is probably why people apply a similar logic to pasteurization. Pasteurization is a heat process for milk and therefore far less of a problem than egg chlorination baths (which notably puts organohalides into the drainwater which may or may not degrade before going elsewhere.)
What shouldn't be allowed is not fucking doing any kind of process to reduce infections and letting people get sick. Especially because healthcare is privatized here.
I'm just surprised raw milk wasn't at the top of RFK jr's upside down pyramid.
If you're going to listen to a fucking moron who ate road kill and got a portion of his brain EATEN BY A WORM THEN YOU DESERVE WHATEVER THE FUCK HAPPENS TO YOU OR YOUR FAMILY.
FUCK ALL OF THESE PEOPLE!
Sorry, an innocent child died , personally I think the parents should be prosecuted harshly, BUT FUCK ALL THESE STUPID PEOPLE.
No shit.
If Conservatives want to poison themselves with raw milk, get on with it. But keep kids out of your performative bullshit.
I just can't understand this movement... I can't wrap my head around why cooking your milk before drinking it makes it bad!!!! I thought the anti-vaccination people were going to be as bad as it gets regarding science denial but it just keeps getting worse 😭😭
My MAGA sister says that raw milk isn't dangerous. So, fake news?
How did we get here? Fkin hell!
How? Decades of Republicans cheapening public education, that's how. We are becoming that dystopian society Carl Sagan spoke of, where science has been replaced by magic.
Thanks trump!
Thanks MAHA and all the charlatans on the internet spreading complete garbage. This was supposed to be the Enlightened Age of Information, instead it's the Dark Ages of Misinformation.