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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 133 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Every driving school in the whole world should do this when getting a drivers license.

[–] Ash@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Every single parking fine, driving fine, citation.. whatever. Should come with a mandatory 2 weeks of cycling.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I get why you say that, and I don't even disagree, but I would like to point out that it will only be partially effective.

I live in Cleveland, so the only thing seperating us from Canada is a lake. That should give you an idea of how cold it is right now.

Well, people are assholes, and don't shovel their snow. We had a pretty decent snow storm last week. About 2 feet in 3 days. In response to this, nobody has shoveled their sidewalks, so now everybody walks in the streets.

Last night I saw a guy walking on the street. Plenty of room around him. He was as far to the curb as he could be. 4 lane road (2 per direction).

A guy came around the corner and nearly hit him. They get into a screaming match about how he should be on the sidewalk with 2 feet of snow.

So the guy backs his car up, drives straight at him, and tried to hit the brakes before his car hit him. Well, icy road meant that his brakes didn't mean shit. He just straight up hit and run'd him.

Thats when I started recording with my phone. He drives off several hundred feet, pulls into a driveway, turns around, and then drives by again with his middle finger at this guy who's still on the ground.

This exercise would help and work for those who have empathy. You just have to remember, not everyone has empathy.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean that's kind of the point. People without empathy will only see a problem with something when they have personally experienced the problem. That is literally the point of the exercise. You put the assholes who lack empathy in the shitty situation they constantly inflict on others so they see how it feels first hand and suddenly they care. People with empathy don't need to be taught this lesson.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're also teaching the assholiest assholes a new way to asshole people. But yeah the avg assholes will at least understand how shitty they're being

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

It's not going to be a 100% effective tool, but it doesn't have to be. We have other means of dealing with criminals.

In this scenario, a long prison sentence along with a permanent ban on operating vehicles seems warranted.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Sounds miserable. Around here you get 48 hours to clear the sidewalks before the city comes by and does it for you and sends you a bill.

From what I've heard the bill from the city is far more expensive than hiring a service.

It's standard boilerplate in leases that the tenant is responsible for snow removal.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In a lot of countries it is normal that children and teenagers use bicycles. Once teenagers start taking driving lessons they should already be aware of this. Refresher courses would be more helpful.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 92 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Need to get city planners on that bike, not bus drivers. That worker isn't the reason for the lack of proper infrastructure.

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Similarly, I believe that before any law enforcement are allowed to use lethal force, they should die at least once.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well as part of LEO training they bring in a lead box, and slowly winch up the lid revealing 12oz of fentanyl in a sealed glass container. Only the people that pass out for at least 30 seconds are kept as officers.

Practically the same thing.

[–] sludgewife@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

that scene from Dune but there's just fentanyl in the box

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a part of S.E.A.L. training

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is this why they're on six now? that's rough.

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[–] BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Busses aren't the problem, lacking bicycle infrastructure is the problem. Busses move a lot of people. I have no problem with busses.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, but also it's important to remember that there are no such things as "car lanes," only general-purpose ones. Even if good bike infrastructure exists, cyclists are still allowed to ride in those lanes, which means dangerous close passes by buses could still occur.

[–] itsralC@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In my country it is actually illegal to ride a bike on the normal lanes if a bike lane / path is available

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I for one support public safety jigsaw

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel like some kind of skit show needs to do this. Its the same puppet but with an orange safety vest and a hard hat.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

I feel we need to include this in all driving courses, so all drivers can really be aware of how scary cars driving nearby is. Meanwhile, we also need to push for increase biking infrastructure

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Cue the comments from people not subscribed to the community saying "I have nothing against cyclists but they're in the way!11!"

[–] Soulg@ani.social 15 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I mean, I'm a bus driver, I'm well aware it sucks,I do not want to be doing this to bike riders, but they're forced to be in the road because of no bike lanes in my area.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok so don't pass them in the same lane

[–] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 1 week ago

Already don't, I'm not a moron

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

(when a city is designed well, most cases there is no need for a bike lane, but I agree more bike lanes please!)

I do not want to be doing this to bike riders

You don't have to, do you? I'm not sure it works as well for a bus because they are wider, but if you drive a car there's the option of passing too closely or waiting for enough space in traffic to pass safely. Does that not work in a bus? Would waiting for a gap take hours in a bus?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Whenever there's no bike lane, and the sidewalk is busy/unusable, I just bike right in the middle of the lane so they need a different lane to pass. Not sharing a lane with cars, they're crazy and will just drive off after hitting you.

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[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

it's not fear that you feel when a bus is to your side, it's more like a vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness.

fear is when the bus is a meter behind you or cutting your way to turn left!

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness I have never experienced anything like that. Could you just be instinctually afraid/stressed from riding near buses?

fear is when the bus is a meter behind you or cutting your way to turn left!

Fear is when you're about to take a narrow blind corner and you hear a bus honking from the other side.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's more like a vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness.

In other words, an exercise bike probably doesn't give the full effect, compared to being passed by a bus on a real bike that you have to actually balance.

For context, most of the drivers on the bikes were freaked out, but they were laughing, they obviously knew they weren't in danger but they were obviously shocked by the size and presence of the bus

That is great idea, but it could be improved if the bicycle was a real bicycle & was riding & the bus rode by, way too close.

I remember attending an event for the county employees & public about the dangerous situation for bicyclist, when a Fire Department Fire Truck driver said she never see bicyclist, even if they were there or not. Of course this is M-Dade County, of South Florida, & at the end they were blaming the young kids never properly learning how to ride bicyclist.

[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I think the reason it's done on an exercise bike is to be able to do it in a controlled and safe environment. The purpose is to teach the drivers, not potentially run them over.

[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think the reason it's done on an exercise bike is to be able to do it in a controlled and safe environment. The purpose is to teach the drivers, not potentially run them over.

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[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I spent years working in the Melbourne CBD, and on the several occasions where as a pedestrian I had to take evasive action, it was because of buses running red lights. Multiple times. You'd think it'd be couriers, or meth-heads, or emergency vehicles (who at least had an excuse). But no. Bloody buses.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do they have quotas or some other pressure to reach the stop unreasonably quickly?

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Also, another factor to consider - are the bicycle/pedestrian paths separated, possibly by a barrier?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've had people intentionally come close even though I'm in a bike lane.

Even had people stopped in traffic intentionally move over to block the bike lane when they see me coming. But I have an MTB with commuter tyres, so hopping the curb around them is no issue.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

That's when I squeeze by anyways and touch their car in the process.

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[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I used to be a bike messenger and would be riding next to a bus, splitting the lane and a second bus would come up on your other side. It was scary and dangerous.

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