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Countries are growing uneasy about their dependence on U.S. technology firms.

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[–] homes@piefed.world 234 points 1 week ago (18 children)

The US held a unique privilege of being the world’s tech leader, their IT buddy.

Now that we’ve violated everyone’s trust, we will likely never get that position back.

[–] DeuxChevaux@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As they say: it takes decades to grow a forest, but only one match to burn it down.

[–] homes@piefed.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There are those who learn from the past mistakes of themselves and others...

and there are those who don't...

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Judging by the popularity of Germany's AfD party, the US isn't the only one.

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Tbf USA weren't having their own Hitler until now. Give em a chance

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I quote from the good book of YG:

"Fuck Donald Trump"

[–] M137@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That really doesn't fit here IMO. It took decades of bullshit, law breaking, blatant spying, hostile persuasion etc. of US IT being forced onto the world, and without Trump and the fucking nightmare circus that's going on this wouldn't have happened. The world would have kept bending the knee and even inviting all of it forever, it took THIS MUCH to get the world to take a step back and realise that this isn't a good thing.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Ding ding ding

And that IS a good thing. It's great that it happened, I just wish it had happened 2 decades ago and before IT companies yeeted the fworld off a cliff into hell

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[–] Darkmoon_AU@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'm playing my part... Undoing a large part of a SaaS platform I've been building, to detangle it from AWS and reimplement for Scaleway/UpCloud. This is a significant practical setback for me, but I can no longer live with myself giving dollars to both Bezos AND a fascist regime every month. Not to mention the direct risk of the US fucking with my business down the track for any old batshit reason. Account closed.

[–] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah also did that for my recent site using StaticBuilder and Codeberg. Took longer but well worth supporting smaller businesses.

Btw, if people are passionate about this topic. There is a community and website on !purchasewithpurpose@lemmy.world .

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

UpCloud is nice but ever since I started using UpDog I don't think I can go back.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Waits patiently for someone to ask what it is

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago

I ended five subscriptions to US tech services over the weekend, and I'm working steadily down my list.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I was hoping for that for a long time, so... thanks Donald I guess? What a rube.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago

He has made China, Canada and Europe greater.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

He only cares about himself and the money he got from them. The better question is why all those tech billionaires supported him.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

because once you've reached end-state capitalism, the only realistic way to make sure line continues to go up is either ratfucking public funds or to trigger a crash/credit crunch (enabling you to buy up discounted distressed assets)

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Obviously because once that country collapses or becomes a pariah state and starts fooling with the data for nefarious purposes, all goes almost anything the rest of the world relies on, including website hosting services. So, yeah, decentralization is necessary.

[–] TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If most US websites are garbage this can't happen soon enough. You can't even trust basic search anymore thanks to AI bs. People complain about nobody reading articles when they are ad-filled crap usually written by AI, I'd rather spend my time playing video games.

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[–] eagerbargain3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I’m selfhosting most of my stuff now and did closed 500 accounts, still 960 to review. It take times but I always while closing enter a comment like “lost confidence in USA for the next 50 years thanks to Trump” BTW most services don’t let you delete your account, in this case I empty all my personal data, upload blank images for profile, anonymize field, move email to temp mailbox and delete my password.

I did some architecture and implementation to Azure for a big client, now moved to pure AKS with only OSS software, nest step for them is to quit US cloud, a lot easier if you use pure kubernetes.

I think it is good that we reduce our reliance on US stacks, but not at the cost of using Chinese softwares.

Deleting Reddit, instagram, facebook was really the easiest and most satisfying of all.

I plan to organize meetup on sovereignty, privacy and self hosting soon too 😇

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

closed 500 accounts, still 960 to review

(⊙_⊙)

How??

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

1400 fucking accounts! My mind cannot comprehend that number.

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[–] Beep@lemmus.org 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How does one reach even more than 20 accounts?

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have over 200 logins overall, but most of them are to forums that have been dead for a decade.

The internet used to be quite a different place back in the day, people had separated communities and everything wasn't just on a handful of massive platforms.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rightly so, US tech is a dumpster fire with 24/7 surveillance.

[–] johncandy1812@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More worried the US is spying on me than China at this point.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That's rational. [not sarcasm]

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Silicon Valley people who wanted Trump are so fucking stupid its absurd.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 week ago

Anyone who voted for trump is so fucking stupid it's absurd.

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[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 21 points 1 week ago

I was reading an opinion piece about this sort of thing earlier today, "Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native". It opens by saying:

I'm an eighth-generation American, and let me tell you, I wouldn't trust my data, secrets, or services to a US company these days for love or money.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago

Even Americans are trying to bail from a lot of this crap, not just for political reasons but because its shit.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ramp it up!

The worst crime you can commit under capitalism is not participating, not buying, not renting, etc. These tech companies are built on debt that is serviced by profits.

Moving the needle down and impacting their income by even 5% will have a huge impact on a business’s bottom line and in turn a CEO’s income, bonuses and stock options etc.

If you want to make Trump and his regime change then you have to hit the only people he will listen to… his fellow oligarchs.

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[–] canofcam@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As a QA, I raised the very real risk that should tensions with America escalate, they could effectively cut us off and our business would be kaputt.

What happens if AWS goes down? We use Google. What happens if both go down (or cut us off)? We're fucked.

The answer to me raising the risk was a, "Haha, yeah, true, we'd be in big trouble..." but there's no actual appetite to do anything about it. We're so tied up in AWS that I can't imagine there ever will be.

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

But Tech companies gave Trump BILLIONS of Dollars! HOW could he Lose them SO Many Customers?

[–] bestelbus22@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

It's all so unnecessary. But at least we finally do something about digital sovereignty in the EU.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I don't think ICANN

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago
[–] webkitten@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

I finally moved my personal dev/blog server to Hetzner and today was the first time in a while that the AWS bill was smaller than what it normally was (I did get rid of everything - EC2, S3 - except for domain registrations since I didn't want to renew ones that just got renewed yet). Obviously I was still just paying for half the month so next month should be even smaller.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd say that individual companies need to make contingency plans for when the US puts up their own great firewall (assuming they haven't already, since I'm in the US).

I think it would be prudent for nations that have Google/Amazon/Microsoft datacenters in them to create legislation that allows them to nationalize or detach those services from the US. I have no doubt that we will eventually have our own policy that gives us the privilege to snoop on foreign data in foreign datacenters that are running US owned hardware.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Chinese open-source foundation models are already enabling small countries and companies to build their own large language models.

Had to be mentioned of course, in the context of critical technologies. 🙄

SEO is a bitch.

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Not everywhere can wean itself off, but the "big three" cloud compute companies arent the only shows in town. And of course there is a multitude of free and open source replacements for commercial software with companies willing to provide support.

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