in a capitalism, "the workers", are already, absolutely, allowed to "own the fruits of their labors"- this is called the stock market, which marx and marxists have long misunderstood, and feared, the same way in which a screaming native who has never contacted the modern world will wave their spear threateningly at an airplane theyve never seen before, thinking its a "terror bird". the stock market is actually what allows workers to collectively own their companies, under capitalism, at least if it's any public company and many or most or the biggest companies tend to be public. the workers of a company, the workers in society in general, have never been prevented from owning stock in the companies they work for or in any other companies. what marxists further dont understand is that, THIS ISNT A GOOD DEAL NECESSARILY, EVEN- most companies fail- or, most companies' stock prices and/or dividends don't just go up and up and up endlessly or increase year after year. most companies fail!!!!!!!! it's reeeeeeeeeallly fricking hard to make money off the stock market!!! this is even true for the big professional institutions that only try to make money off the financial markets (the entire world of finance). i know this how? because im a fricking stock trader. i can tell you- i used to fear the stock market too- i didnt understand how it worked, and i thought the whole thing might be "conspiratorial". until i got into learning about it. whoooooa let me tell you the stock market is a regular thing. no conspiracy there. now who's the idiot? "people fear things (and hallucinate about things) they don't know". half of the modern toxic-ness of modern marxists is the conspiratorial garbage they've either cooked up or loosely believe. if you like conspiracies, and want to talk about real ones, please look at my other site, World Police. Oh there are real conspiracies by real politicians and "economists"- it's called organized crime, not all of capitalism/mercantilism/trade, automatically, as a whole. Also, certainly certain (what i would call) "rogue" governments or government-factions do pull conspiracies; currently being looked at on my other real-conspiracy-hunting-site are: the trump regime, the putin regime, and trump/putin regime connection. that's a pretty good one for now, and to start with, if you're into, and looking for that kind of thing.
A new socialism/communism
Marx was a total idiot/asshole. Marxism is totally bunk, misunderstood, garbage. Marxists are total toxic fuckwads who ruin other political conversations. Let's rewrite the concept of socialism/communism from scratch, to get rid of Marxism! No Marxist influence in a socialist/communist theory! Discuss either of two things: the failures of Marxism and stupidity of Marxists, or: "A new socialism/communism"! Any idea of socialism/communism that is your own brand new thinking and has nothing to do with Marxist socialism/communism! Forget Marxism! Out-think him with the same concept, made to work better and without all the obnoxiousness and built-in problems and misunderstandings! A Marxist's worst nightmare, and revenge for how all the Marxist socialist/communist groups on lemmy banned me cause theyre fuckheads. For anyone who hates Marxism, but is otherwise totally into the idea of coming up with a more organized, more prosperous society. sincerely, your moderator, "groucho marx". you know regular marx? im groucho marx. lol.