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[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 115 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is analogous to saying, the blades on a wind turbine don't go anywhere, they simply spin, and yet power is created.

[–] Lauchmelder@feddit.org 104 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're just wiggling the saw back and forth, yet the log is eventually halved

[–] credo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

The washing machine just spins left then right, left then right, and the clothes come out clean.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ad on a DC system, the electrons move dozens of times slower than a person walking. They also don't get anywhere, and power is still delivered.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's fun to calculate that from a socket to a light bulb it may take something close to a few hours for one electron to get to the bulb, but even then that's an average. Some electrons don't even get to the light bulb ever.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IMO, the more interesting thing is how they are all always moving at a large fraction of the speed of light, but over any large distance, they are that slow.

Things never cancel each other so well on the macroscopic world.

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[–] AE5NE@lemmy.radio 4 points 1 week ago

Hell of a lot of electrons coming out and going in though

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In an AC system, the pedastal fan in your bedroom is electromagnetically coupled to the turbine at the coal/gas/hydro/nuc power station. They instantly and directly influence each other, and they both are spinning in tandem like two wheels on a car connected by an axel. Slowing the rotation of the fan with your hand technically increases the torque of the turbine, if only by an immeasurably small amount.

[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

Fun Fact: An improperly shielded (or old and deteriorating) fan can be influenced by stray electromagnetic radiation. They'll pick up AM radio signals occasionally, creating an off tone in the fan noise that sounds like a person talking faintly on the other side of the fan.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AC motors are more powerful but also more noisy. You need that power in your kitchen mixer but you need quiet in a fan. Modern WC rooms now have a DC fan, old ones have the loud one.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The balls in the middle of newtons cradle don’t move either.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newton's cradle sounds like a kinky sex move, which is ironic since Newton was likely a virgin.

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In certain kink circles, Newton's cradle IS a kinky sex move!

Yeah. Sort of like holding two ends of a chain and dragging it back and forth. Even if the chain isn’t traveling the full length, it’s still moving and you could still extract power from the system if you attached something to the middle of the chain.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Whats crazier is that in direct current individual electrons don't travel at the speed of light through the conductor, but only at roughly 1cm/s.

Or, that thanks to the "skin effect" the current actualy travels in a very thin layer below the outside surface of cconductor. Most of the conductor doesn't transfer power but only maintains the magnetic field to keep the current flowing.

[–] dukatos@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

No, skin effect only occurs on higher frequencies. That is why coaxial cabel is invented. But then they realized the energy in coax transfers in a completely different way.

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[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

why is everyone in this thread telling me to imagine something

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 points 1 week ago

Because imagination is everything- probably Einstein

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[–] AE5NE@lemmy.radio 30 points 1 week ago

imagine a bicycle chain between two sprockets, if you crank it foward and back like 1 inch, over and over again, you can clearly transmit power without the chain links going much of anywhere

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

when you touch something we never actually touch it is all just fields interacting all the way down

[–] 5715@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

just the ~~tip~~ fields

[–] Hazmatastic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

People are really just mobile energy nets holding other energy in. What if the fields of our energy nets directly influenced each other? Jk... unless...?

[–] ArseAssassin@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My power company is charging me that much for nothing but vibes?!

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're giving you excitations

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Steam engine pistons also move back and forth less than a meter at a time, and still could push trains a million kilometers in the forward direction. It's that they're pushing right while moving right and left when moving left. That's like when AC current and voltage are in phase, delivering positive net power. Meanwhile, something that pulls left when moving right is consuming power.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 18 points 1 week ago

The microwave doesn't heat your food, it just vibrates the water.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

The voltage(electrical equivalent of force) is what travels.

It's analagous to pushing something away from you with a really really really long stick, then pulling it back again. The stick didn't move much but you still affected something far away.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

That movement is still energy

Build a circuit to make use of that et voilà

Friction makes heat. Same thing really

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Imagine an old-timey saw with a lumberjack on each side, pulling it back and forth across the tree. The saw just goes back and forth, but effective work gets done.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The electrons don't move very quickly either. Like, a sluggish one millimeter per second is more current density than most metal conductors can handle without melting. Thankfully, there's lots of mobile electrons carrying charge (coulombs) so that's a lot of current. "Electricity" only travels near the speed of light because voltage is like a force sending waves through the electric field (simplified). And it's instantaneous current (amps = ~~joules~~ edit: coulombs / second) times voltage (electric field potential difference in volts = joules per coulomb) that delivers power.

Simplifying to a single harmonic (pure 50Hz/60Hz sine voltage source and a passive, linear RLC load), you need not only multiply the voltage's and current's effective amplitude (that gets you apparent power in VA, voltamps) but also their power factor or cos φ (the cosine of phase beetween them) to get power in W (joules per second). If the cosine is one, it's a purely resistive (R) load (like a heater) with a phase difference of 0°. If the PF is zero, it's a purely reactive (L/C) load (a freewheeling synchronous motor is much like that) with a current phase of ∓90° and no power is consumed overall. If the cosine is negative, power is actually being generated by the device you're measuring (for instance, old elevators and escalators with synchronous motors are actually delivering power into mains when enough people are travelling down).

[–] Morphit@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amps are not joules / second;- that would be Watts. Amps = Coulombs / second, and Volts = Joules / Coulomb. That's why multiplying them gives you power in Watts.

That's true instantaneously but as you say, if the current or voltage are alternating then you can't just use the AC current and voltage to get real power like you can with DC.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You are correct, that was a mistake.

However, although symbols of units named after scientists (V, A, W, C, J, Ω, H, F, T, Hz, S, K, N, Pa, Bq, R, Ci) are uppercase, they are lowercase when written out (volt, amp(ère), watt, coulomb, joule, ohm, henry, farad, tesla, hertz, siemens, kelvin, newton, pascal, becquerel, roentgen, curie) to differentiate them from the surnames. Also be careful with degrees (Celsius, Fahrenheit, Rankine, Réaumur...) and grams (g, not G or gr), unrelated to the bacteria-ranking Christian Gram. And yes, the l/L debate is why the Claude Litre hoax was created. (In Unicode-capable applications I use 𝑙 BTW)

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[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fyi, it isnt fully correct and a lot of electricity related channels were a bit annoyed by it. But overal its a good video hehe

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you happen to know a good video about the issues?

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Watch mehdi electoeboom and Steve mould's follow up argument about who is right.

[–] REDACTED 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Veritasium also made a follow-up video addressing their arguments. After that, they kind of went silent and seemingly sided with Veritasium

https://youtu.be/oI_X2cMHNe0

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 4 points 1 week ago

Theres a gnarly your mom joke in here somewhere

[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Kind of like how a piston in an engine also kinda just "shakes about" (because of explosions or steam or whatever) and yet delivers a lot of power.

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