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I think there is no short and easy answer to that. To understand your arguments and follow your logical chains, one needs to be knowledgeable enough in politics and history. 

Your on your way to work and one day you witness an ice raid and then everything goes dark.

By changing the framing. Ask about how he'll feel when (not if) a bad actor gets his info? Steals his identity? Opens a credit card. Takes out a loan. Tanks his credit. His info is all right there conveniently compiled by unknown entities and data gets breached all the time. Enter his info into a website like https://haveibeenpwned.com/ and show him just how many times his data has already been compromised without his knowledge. Point out data security isn't JUST about privacy it's about DATA SAFETY.

it's the same as not caring about free speech because you have nothing to say

For one example, it's likely relatively easy to determine with 95% accuracy if you are pregnant or trying to get pregnant. Would you want your job to know that before you have federal protection for your job? They might let you go before having to deal with the FMLA headache, even if you are a potential father who might also take time off and be protected. Also, though current Obamacare rules disallow preexisting conditions, that could always change. Would you want something like your search history raising your premiums? "Oh I see you likely experience migraines, that puts you in a higher risk category for X. Your premium will be higher." Same for job applications "oh, [sees you might get migraines which are FMLA protected], we decided to go with another candidate"

Online: ask what their address is. Tell them how every website uses https (encryption), and the stuff that can happen if it's not used.

If they can access it, they can plant stuff.

"YOU aren't the one that gets to decide if you have something to hide!"

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety."

How much trust do you have in your executive and justice system? Data is great for associating people and making up reasons for just cause when there was none and even when there is none.

Targeted advertising must pay tracking and advertisments. It must be more expensive by default. Worse than that, it can make it more expensive for you specifically, and timed when in need. Instead of product based and on a competitive neutral market, the one paying most who consequently must also pull the most money from you wins, and you lose the most.

Investing inconvenience into authentication security means someone can't just grab your phone and clear out your bank accounts and all accounts linked to your email address. Does every app need 2FA? Maybe not, you can consider a convenience vs security risk assessment. But if you don't have the technical and security expertise to do so you risk gross misinterpretation.

Even if you lock stuff, if your communication is not encrypted, people can learn if you're a worthwhile or vulnerable target. Even if you're careful, phishing can be designed specifically for you and your weaknesses, and with knowledge about your persona, behavior, and views.

Even if it doesn't affect you, it can enable and ease attacks on those close to you, those you are in contact with.

Any systematic weakness is not only a weakness in that aspect but an entry point into the whole system. Be it personal connections, contracts, services, your bank, your insurance, whatever.

Simplify it for him.

How would he like if somebody would look trough his mail all the time?

How would he like if somebody would just come to his house and start to look around?

How would he like if all his conversations with his friends were taped?

Amd most importantly, how would he feel if all that information that previously was collected had no guarantee to only be accessible by the people he is giving the permission, but there is very real change somebody malevolent can access that information too.

I feel like if you are in the US and can still make that ‘defense’’…. You aren’t paying attention.

I may be ill and want to keep it from my family and work for as long as possible in order to complete and prepare some things. Privacy should exist for all under this type of scenario but it should not overpower the publics right to know when the public is affected (example...possible pedophiles or sex ring at the top levels of government).

They (whoever gets access to private life of so many people) have plenty to hide, including how this info is used. If this needs proving, might as well just drop any attempts at meaningful conversation

They asked this question in the TNG episode The Drumhead.

“…yet.”

Gotta also point out, if they were things he 'wanted for years,' he already knew about them, knew he wanted them, and would have bought them. The ads were of no value in that situation.

But the big thing I have to question in this is, does this person have anyone they care about? It's not all about them. Do they want those they love to be tracked and manipulated based on the data? Would they be comfortable with a system that tracked their daughter's menstrual cycle based on the data they collected? If so, would they still be okay with it if the companies used that data to push unhealthy options on her when she's being hit with PMT and feels like shit? What if the ad space was bought by a group who wanted to push her into a religion? Or an abortion? Or a political position they disagree with?

And let's say they don't have any problem with the people who they know have access to it now. Do they think the people who have it now will be unwilling to sell it? Is there someone out there they wouldn't be comfortable with having access to their data? Because basically anyone can buy info from a data broker. Would they like it if their porn history was shared with potential employers? Or their health history? Even if they don't put in anything they aren't comfortable sharing, do they think no one else might put in info they don't want shared? What about just plain misinformation? Do they want the data on them to be available to employers after someone with a grudge has had a chance to order BDSM gear in their name and create a profile for them on a fetish site or twenty? How about someone with no grudge, just who taps into his wifi because he hasn't updated his security firmware in a bit? And all that info would be delivered to anyone who asks and is willing to pay <$20. He'll never be told, 'you didn't get the job/loan/invite because of what we found on you.' It'll just be a silent wall between them and the other things they want, just because they liked that one time the company, which didn't actually care what he wants, convinced him to buy something he would have bought anyway and spent the rest of the time selling access to him and his information, benefitting him not at all.

"take of your pants."

Am I missing something or are you conflating two different issues? Why isn't anyone saying anything about this?

Password security and internet privacy are totally independent issues. I obviously don't want random people to be able to log into my bank account and steal my money.

But I'm sorry, I'm one of those people who don't care about "privacy", even after reading all of your comments here. Everyone is keen on using "slippery slope" sentiments like "suddenly the government is going to go after you for 3D printing" or "suddenly the government is going to throw you in jail for chronically going little bit over the speed limit" or even that the government is going to hunt you down for using Lemmy.

It's like well...yes...those are technically within the realm of possibility. I'll give you that. But is it likely to ever happen? No, not really. Some of us are ok with that probability. It's ok if you aren't. But it's ok for those of us that are.

Most people on Lemmy read as doomsday preppers to me. I'd wager many here are preppers. You have to understand how outside the norm you guys all are and how outside the likelihood of what you're saying can be. Check out some prepper communities if you're interested in what I see in you all.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone. I also just hope that you can see why it's ok to let non-preppers continue to be non-preppers. Idk.

I find this is a typical privileged response from some who is usually a white male. Or maybe even just a male.