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The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?

Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This traitor isn’t coming to save us.

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[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)
  1. Shut down the US government.
  2. Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
  3. Form a new North American Union (like the EU) with Canada as Daddy
  4. ???
  5. Profit
[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

2 would mostly only happen in red states. The rest mostly know how to cooperate.

And you know that California doesn't need Canada, even less when you consider the rest of the US west coast in with it.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Some states have proven that, without federal intervention, they cannot effectively govern themselves. Texas, for instance…

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Texas would last long enough to be dangerous to it's neighbors. I would not want to be in New Mexico if federal power breaks down.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably better to form an analogy to the old European Coal and Steel Community rather than to jump directly into an EU equivalent, also bring Mexico in since without the US being a thing they'll end up with the largest population on the continent.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not smart politics, but I figured it'd be more complicated than a meme outline.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Prolly. Doesn't mean I shouldn't point out viability, fate has a strange way of twisting and if it so decides I would rather have the idea spread than for it to not. Who knows perhaps someone will read my comment and spread it further or be in a position to enact.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.

I hope my state can successfully wage war against every state to the south of it.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

My state is completely surrounded by enemies.

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[–] borkborkbork@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

And Mexico as Madre?

Claudia Sheinbaum is pretty cute. I'm in.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

While my theory is based on various sci-fi so should be taken with a mine of salt, my guess is that USA will split into three different countries: NUSA (lol Cyberpunk) which will comprise of the original 13 colony states and the upper North East, The California Republic which will essentially be the West and NW and in good relations with NUSA but with different legislature, and the South which might be called anything from Texas, New Texas, Republic of Texas, or New Louisiana Territory, which will essentially be a war-torn area full of religious extremists not unlike Middle-Eastern areas after the West had their way with them. It will be full of forever wars by religious factions funded by the MIC shareholders of various other countries but in the public face it'll be covered by the media as religious extremism and/or patriotic fanaticism while ignoring the material reality and history of the situation.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I could get behind that.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What percent of new countries declare all people with brown skin are slaves?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

We really should've abolished that.

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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

If you don't feel like your representatives are adequately representing you (God knows I don't), this is a good time to find a primary candidate to support (monetarily or with your time) - or even file to run yourself. Every house representative is up for reelection in November.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Shut it the fuck down until the weasels in the GOP actually have their arm twisted to engage with empathy. I'd be personally affected by a shutdown, but it's a sacrifice I'd make for a long time if it means any kind of progress against the fucking fascist pedophile protectors in office.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't Schumer already cave? Or did I misread a headline?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

IIRC, he's starting negotiations in the middle and is eager to give up even more.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Man, I wish Democrats were the heartless, scheming, cut-throat, socialist maniacs that I was told they were growing up in a Republican household...

The country would be in much better shape if it were true...

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Here's the thing, they are, possibly even better than republicans, they're taking the same corporate pro israel bribe money, they just didn't also align themselves with the insane neo Nazis, Christian terrorists, and loudmouth idiots.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You forgot the part where I said "socialist." I don't want them to be heartless and scheming if they're not doing it for socialist reforms.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

You are correct, I did in fact miss that. Shouldn't be trying to be thoughtful while I'm in bed trying to sleep 😅

And hell yeah, the only reform is socialist reform. It's unfortunate that the party is almost all corpo Dems, definitely needs more push from the left

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Put in simple terms, Republicans are the sword. Democrats are the shield.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

kudos for the PG rating on your comment. My mind usually goes to fluffers, dildos, and butt plugs when making such comparisons.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No taxation without representation. We know Trump/ Elon / Putin hacked the election. This is NOT the will of the American people. Cut them off of our tax dollars. They want small government so bad, see what they can do without revenue from blue cities/ states.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To do that, we'll need to split off from the federal banks.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Don't threaten me with a good time

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid, to kowtow to the Republicans in the last shutdown. The Dems had its members "break rank" who happened to be politicians, whose election won't be coming soon or are retiring. The Democrats will pull the same manipulative tactics. They won't be in this game for so long if they are not that devious.

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

The Untied States needs to just start over from scratch

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

The resulting power vacuum would result in something far worse. Our best chance is to revive this dead democracy and fix the shit that allowed this to happen.

I don’t think that’s possible though with this electorate.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Personally, I think that a future incarnation of the United States can be one nation, but divided into four regions, each with their own president and branches. Western, Middle, Eastern, and Outer America. The outer region is places outside of the contiguous US, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, military bases like Djibouti, Greenland, and so forth.

These presidents can elect a Figurehead President, who heads the national executive for one term, and no more. Each region donates soldiers and other resources to the national government, and the national court is expanded to have an equal number of justices from each region. I am thinking about 21 justices - 4 from each region, and each president selecting a justice who represents their executive branch during the tenure of their president.

This would make it much harder for any one faction to have controlling power over politics, and make genuine collaboration much more likely.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Burn it all down" is a simplistic, unrealistic strategy. It's said more to express frustration than to suggest serious policy.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

HFC - High-Frequency Caving

[–] polysexualstick@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everywhere could be better off without a government, not just the US.

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[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Propaganda from “liberal” media trying to calm you down. Fight.

[–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

every country is better off with no government ~~than the ones they have~~

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