Let me guess... You have an Nvidia card.
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So you are living in an illusion of choice, while your options are obviously determined by the big corpo that you relied on for getting that card
(Saying that, I got an NVIDIA card like a dumbass too)
....more like a gifted old laptop, but yeah.
So not your choice either XD
My 16G RTX-3080 Mobile works well with Niri
I've found it varies from compositor to compositor:
- Plasma? Mid on Nvidia
- Constantly I have issues and I can't even solve them myself
- I have plasma working on Ubuntu Studio on a laptop I use for music making which has some Nvidia card, and that works fine, but not on my main Arch install
- GNOME? Works okay until you want to do something with portals like screen recording
- Even if I use a different portal, GNOME overrides it.
- Hyprland? Works amazing EXCEPT for random tiny issues
- Also I had to do a lot of tweaking
- Every now and then some program will not start or something
- But generally pretty good
- Sway? Garbo support
- Nvidia may not even boot. Lots of tweaking. Lots of issues
- Cosmic? For wayland - solid
- For everything else... it needs a little work still
- I also tried Cosmic Shell + Niri, and it just kinda didn't work in some ways like theming, but Wayland worked great.
- Also performance with multi-displays is kinda poor, or at least it was when I tried it.
- But Niri? Perfect
- Absolutely FLAWLESS Wayland. EVERYTHING works
- And now that I have DMS there's so much done for me. It's really a great system
Since I love the scrolling aspect of Niri as well, it works out well that it has the best Wayland support. 10/10 project. I love it
When I was on X11 still I was primarily an i3 user, and the transition to Hyprland and Niri has been generally positive
But yeah, I've worked with Nvidia on Linux for several years now on multiple machines. I'm finally throwing in the towel whenever I buy a new PC. AMD all the way. It's just better on Linux, even on X11
Didn't they straighten out Wayland support? I thought this was a thing of the past as of 555, but I also haven't run Nvidia myself in years and years.
My work PC has a 3080 and the latest nvidia-dkms in the Arch repo. I haven't had a single display-related issue for probably a year.
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Protip: People who have iGPU + nvidia can just set the iGPU as main GPU on the BIOS and offload 3D programs to the nvidia via prime-run like they would on a laptop.
That's my setup.
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The latest Nvidia drivers have broken composition in Xfce, so I've been raw-dogging basic X11. It's like I'm using WinXP again.
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Wayland is a sports car - modern, tailor made for performance. X is like a '99 Civic that's had the seatbelts stripped out and the airbags replaced with cameras that let all the other cars on the road see you naked.
It's fine to prefer X, but the older it gets the more people are going to roll their eyes at you. XWayland is fine for random old stuff, but there is zero reason X should be running your whole display these days.
Inb4 someone mentions network transparency that gimps the rest of the system or some 5000 year old app that needs to sniff events sent to every other program.
And the network transparency argument is long gone. While you can indeed network windows over the wire, most toolkits use client side rendering/decorations. So you're just sending bloated pixmaps across the wire when things like RDP , VNC, etc deal better with compression, damage to the window, etc. And anything relying or accelerated with DRI3 is just NOT network transparent.
Most modern toolkits have moved past X11 because the X protocol was severely lacking, and there wasn't a good way as a committee to modify the protocol in an unified manner. I mean look at the entire moving Earth that it took for XFixes and Damage extensions. Toolkits wanted deep access to the underlying hardware and so they would go out of their way to work around X, because it just could not keep up.
Agreed. I was an early Wayland convert because once upon a time I started writing a WM and taking an interest in X internals... And then my face melted off like I'd opened the Ark of the Covenant.
Things are so much simpler now.
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Plenty life in X11 yet.
Xlibre running around.
Pheonix on the horizon. (Zig!)
An anti-DEI fork by a wingnut and a project that isn't even half way ready to use starting from scratch in a niche language. Neither of which are capable of dealing with the fundamental problem of X, the protocol itself, without becoming something entirely different.
... I'm not holding my breath.
If you deal with the fundamental problems of the protocol itself and also provide backwards compatibility... Congrats, you've just reinvented Wayland and XWayland.
Dealing with X11's problems while still being X11, when X11 is the problem? Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath either.
The fundamental architectural issue with Wayland is expecting everyone to implement a compositor for a half baked, changing, protocol instead of implementing a common platform to develop on. Wayland doesnβt really exist, itβs just a few distinct developer teams playing catch-up, pretending to be compatible with each other.
Implementing the hard part once and allowing someone to write a window manager in 100 lines of C is what X did right. Plenty of other things that are bad with X, but not that.
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I honestly donβt know where people are getting these Wayland issues. Iβm on EndeavorOS with an RTX 3080ti and multiple monitors and it has worked flawlessly for ~2 years now.
There's probably a lot of people on 'stable' distros who are still running Wayland code from a couple of years ago and hitting bugs that have been fixed already.
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Wayland is overall just better. I know there are plenty of apps that keep people on X11 just because they don't properly support/work on Wayland yet, but other than that I'm not sure why you would want to stay on X11.
The software you use working correctly is kind of a big deal, though.
Wayland is like how windows people say Linux is.
It works and is Incredible, but on X11 things just work.
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What's it with the Wayland hate?
X did a great job for decades but it's old, it never was designed for modern day requirements, let it retire gracefully instead of dumping on it's replacement, maybe?
I understand there are some apps that still require X, those at some point will be / should be / have to be updated, but I don't see that as a reason not to want to move forward to something better
Wayland is 18 years old. From 2015 on people whose entire computer use was a browser and a terminal on their single screen laptop with intel integrated GPU were telling everyone else they needed to change over because X was already practically dead and wayland was ready for prime time.
Meanwhile even on the latest and greatest everything wayland still has at that point many problems, many limitations, and is from the perspective of many users not better in any way whatsoever and in many ways worse. Continue this for 11 years. By the time everything is ready for prime time you've already primed people to reject and dislike you.
Some people just can't find a better hill to die on it seems.
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I honestly haven't noticed a different except Wayland feeling a bit faster.
You'll only see when you open your xeyes.
I really want to like Wayland since it seems to be the future, but I canβt when my computer keeps crashing from just using it.
Iβm still new to learning the difference between Wayland and x11. What are some of the features people like between the two of them?
People like x11 because Nvidia hasn't fucked up support for it, and people like Wayland because it is the newer protocol that everything is gonna move to.
Wayland provides a simplified, streamlined pipeline for graphics. Lower latency, higher frame rates, less overhead. X is straight out of the late 80s and 90s. Modern X has been cobbled together to work surprisingly well. But that old architecture is what is holding it back today.
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tbf to this thread, wayland wasn't really viable until 2023.
I made an existing comment on this that people didn't like because I pointed out that most of Wayland's "modern upgrades" like VRR, HDR, etc were unimplemented or unfinished for years. Even HDR is still "beta" on KDE iirc.
People also like to pretend the triple buffer wasn't a can of worms for many users for a very long time (and still is on low power devices).
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So what's not working in wayland? Screenshots? Remote desktop? Screen recording? Display in general?
I feel like a lot of people tried Wayland in 2020, a bunch of things didn't work and they've been permanently traumatised.
I switched my laptop years ago, but my desktop only fairly recently - multi screen, mixed DPI with variable refresh rates for gaming took longer to be ready than my laptop's single screen, normal DPI, fixed refresh rate config.
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So I recently updated pop from 22.04 to 24.04. The only real headache I've had is running games through proton. Games now start in windows, which might not even show up at all until I super + F11 to full screen it. The mouse gets stuck in either a corner or the middle, sometimes the cursor works in the menus but stops working on the game itself. Gamescope can fix some of these issues, but alt-tabbing is always an adventure if it breaks the game or not.
An annoying thing is it is very hard to figure out where an issue lies. Is it wayland, is it Cosmic, is it gamescope, or proton? Any tips or tricks people might have would be appreciated.
It's a shame, because I want to like Wayland. i don't know what magic system 76 worked in x11 but the only issue I had before was some tearing when moving windows around. 2 monitors of different resolution and framerate with nvidia.
I wish Wayland would do basic shit like save my window positions for multi-screens. I hate having to set that up every time I reboot.
Wouldn't that be a matter for your window manager?
KDE Plasma is what I'm running. Doesn't do this with X11, does with Wayland. Same goes for virtual desktops.
It's a known issue.
Generally, the KDE team is very aware of some Wayland issues. https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Known_Significant_Issues
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Running Kubuntu 25.10 on a full wayland desktop and getting much better performance and stability.
Man I thought it was about the new European twitter concurrent. The replies did make no sense for a while π
This is brilliant.
But I like this.
Yus. Perfect meme. Well said.
kde, hyprland and mangowc are working without issues for me on cachyos with gtx1660
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