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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

"they impregnate (who's kidding? they will say rape) our daughters"

Then something something blood purity. Probably come up with racial slurs for the baby and the mother as one if those 'insert slur'-'fuckers.'

The rednecks in America happen to do a hell of a lot of math. Oops. Meth. Not math. Well I guess they're doing math when they convert fractions into decimals.

[–] ronl2k@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Illegal immigration increased unemployment among black men, and it created an underground economy that hired only illegal immigrants through 3rd parties. The underground illegal employers only spoke Spanish and didn't hire Americans. Some blacks supported Trump because his efforts increased employment among them.

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Y'all - look, downvote all you want, but the main problem with no-borders immigration is that it does allow those willing and wanting to do harm to other people and the country to do whatever they want. And there's fucking enough of those already with the white supremacists.

Overland migration into the US is also very much not limited to people from countries in the Western Hemisphere. I have been told 3 separate times by people in West Africa and Turkey (guy was Syrian but in Turkey) that "you just fly to Mexico and you get in!" I didn't even ask - people just were excited to tell me after asking where I'm from.

Two issues that happen across Africa where borders are only for foreigners is that 1) all those JNIM/ISGS/ISIS/Al Shebab/Boko Haram guys go anywhere they want and no one stops them, and 2) human trafficking rings have no limits or friction. Most modern-day slavery exists in corridors where there's basically free movement across borders because you just get off the bus, walk 20 meters into the bush, walk across the border, and walk back to the road and get on the bust again. Half of those victims are children. Don't gotta own an island to traffic humans.

These are not related to economic issues, wages, dog whistle racism, etc. These are objective problems that are global in scope anywhere with a situation like this. There are no easy solutions. But the friction of knowing who comes and goes into the country reduces both of those.

Feel free to try and change my mind on this if you want, but having personally crossed borders on foot myself, intentionally and even on accident, y'all gotta bring some sources and logic.

[–] avg@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is interesting that you ask for sources and logic while relying heavily on a false equivalence. Using the specific geopolitical instability and porous borders of West Africa as a proxy for US immigration policy is a classic strawman. The administrative and security infrastructure of the US is not comparable to a region where groups like Boko Haram operate across vast, ungoverned territories, and suggesting the two situations are "objective" mirrors of one another ignores the vastly different historical and logistical realities at play. If we are going to apply actual logic to the concept of "harm to the country," we have to look at the data regarding who truly threatens American safety. Historically, the most devastating attacks on US soil were carried out by individuals who entered the country legally, such as the 9/11 hijackers. Furthermore, the most pressing threats to domestic stability in recent years have come from within, including the January 6th insurrection and the violence seen in the streets of Minneapolis. Even the most prolific human trafficking and abuse networks, such as the Epstein case, operated entirely within the legal and elite structures of the country rather than through people walking through the bush. This suggests that "knowing who comes and goes" is a superficial fix for a much deeper, often homegrown, security issue. Finally, it is logically inconsistent to discuss a migration crisis without acknowledging the role the US plays in creating the "push factors" that drive it. The instability in the nations these immigrants are fleeing is frequently a direct byproduct of American drug consumption, which fuels the cartels, and decades of US meddling in the governments of the Western Hemisphere. From the 1954 Guatemalan coup to the long history of the School of the Americas, the US has often been the primary architect of the chaos it now attempts to border itself against. If you want to talk about objective problems, you have to start with the fact that these people are at the doorstep of the very nation that destabilized their own.

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[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Their "argument"

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

But they take the jobs Americans are unwilling to do!
We need to knock us plebs down a peg.

They are taking mah jobs at the moment.

Seriously, though, send help. I'm fighting them off with this broom handle for now, but there are just too many of them!

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh but they have. If you think they haven’t answered these questions Then you haven’t been paying attention to the GOP playbook filled with bullshit. They manufacture outrage with a spin on casual observances. Here are some examples of the most random bullshit racial profiling I’ve come up against:

“They are taking up room in the hospital” - said by the vaccine refusing white MAGA relative who even go as far as denying they have Covid while on their deathbed dying from lung and heart failure when it was easily preventable. And this is somehow more valid time taken up with overworked hospital staff.

“They are taking our jobs” - this was said by white boy who never applied for the job in the first place.

Upon telling a story where I was sexually assaulted by a cab driver; first question I was asked : “what nationality was he”. Despite almost all times I’ve been afraid for my life after receiving unwanted sexual advances were all from white local men who felt they were untouchable.

So stop getting too comfortable. Just when you think they can’t get stupider, they will prove you wrong. And if you haven’t seen it, you’ve been ignoring it. You haven’t been paying attention. That’s not the boast you think it is. That’s just admitting your privilege to be able to ignore it.

If you actually really do care about putting a stop to racism: Stop ignoring it. This is how these racist assholes are winning elections. Because people are ignoring it , bubbling themselves up and pretending it can not happen around them.

Open your eyes. Do not ignore the racism. It absolutely is there. The first step in addressing the problem is admitting there is a problem. And pay attention to why it became a problem.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m with her. It’s like people have never learned that developed nations experience a declining birthrate and need to supplement it with immigration or there will not be enough workers for the jobs, enough young people to look after the old people. Immigration literally sustains us. This is why we keep allowing it, even playing fast and loose with the rules. The rules are fucking stupid. Fighting for them is beyond stupid.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but there are lots of other reasons to support immigration as well. The US is one of the countries that historically has significant benefits from immigrants. It’s one of our founding ethos and has always helped drive our economy, our innovation, our culture.

While i while-heartedly agree that declining birth rates are another reason to encourage more immigration, we need to keep in mind that it’s temporary. In a world of decline my birth rates, we’ll see dwindling numbers and more competition for them.

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