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Poor Lonnie. May he cry himself to sleep on his MyPillow tonight.

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[–] JackDark@lemmy.world 121 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Investors largely expected the decline in sales in Tesla’s fourth quarter and full-year results for 2025, and the company beat Wall Street’s estimates for earnings and revenue, sending shares up in after-market trading Wednesday.

Remember, this is talking about profits, not revenue. They're still making profit. They did shit profits, but it was more than people expected them to make, so shares went up. Fuck Tesla.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 56 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Fucking stocks are like gambling. There's no rhyme or reason to them.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Especially a meme stock like tesla

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[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's worse than gambling. When gambling there's risk and reward, but bad bets are still the responsibility of the player just like bets that outperform. In stocks, if someone makes a bet and/or the company misses their expected returns, the gambler can sue the company. It's the only gambling where oops, all losses can still result in payoff for the player by fiduciary class-action lawsuit.

I played meme-stocks in 2020-21. I saw that bullshit first-hand, getting half a dozen emails after quarter misses about suing the company over their failure to meet projections. But half of those companies were just getting fucked with because of the influx of idiots like me doing silly shit with their money! I was blown away by that and suddenly started to see how fucked we were to do anything to stop the cancer that unregulated capitalism has become. Infinite growth, impossible in a finite system, is not only expected, but failure to return positive returns could be met with shareholders suing the company for line not go up high enough reasons.

It's so messed up.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

they had profits in 2025? too many ok with buying nazi products

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 weeks ago

Way too many, fuck that Nazi and his shit company

[–] morto@piefed.social 23 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of people are too alienated from everything, or can't make relationships between brands and what's behind them, because everything not directly visible in front of us is too abstract for them, and there's those who are like "all brands are terrible, it won't make any difference anyway". Well, and there's the nazi sympathizers...

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I've been considering getting an electric car, and have been researching good models, and I can't believe how many places are still recommending Tesla. I know the fediverse is far lefter than most other places, but I thought at the very least the general population had stopped trusting Musk and his scams.

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

I rode in a Tesla last week. Some of the tech is better than what I've experienced in other vehicles. To be fair, a lot of the controls are way worse and key functions are buried in screens and menus that are difficult to find.

I'll never own a Tesla, but I do hope the always on wireframe view of everything around you comes to other vehicles. It's way easier to see pedestrians and cross traffic in a parking spot on that screen than it is the 360 camera view on our new Traverse which is only available in reverse and for a few seconds after shifting to forward.

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[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Everyone should be cutting Tesla, Google, Microsoft, apple, meta etc etc out of their lives as much as possible.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I totally agree. While I do have a Google account, I haven't used it in many months, and my tablet and phones have never been signed in to begin with. I guess you might consider my mobile Android devices as 'virgin' devices, and I don't mean Virgin Mobile.

I did break my hiatus from Google briefly tonight, just to ask Google Docs to write a document to compare and contrast AI slop versus reality..

https://lemmy.world/post/42327274

Anyways, I'm done with Google again for as long as I can avoid it. But I'm still leaving the account active, if for no other reason than my YouTube videos (not like I'm even making any money off my random stuff)..

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[–] hector@lemmy.today 58 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And let me guess, stonk went up still?

It's not about the companies, it's a gamble stock, divorced from the performance of the company.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Yes, because while they had lower profits than previously, they still had higher profits than expected. This market behavior is in no way unique or limited to Tesla or "meme stocks". If a company increases profits, but less than expected, their stock usually drop despite increased profit. It's because value is tied to actual results vs. expected results on the short term.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because the stock market doesn't care about reality. It is just a bunch of rich guys trading money between each other, and they have enough to not need us.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I honestly don't know how Musks companies work.

Tesla makes cars. Cars don't sell, so profit drops. Musk uses SpaceX to buy Teslas. Tesla's profit declines, Musk says it's an AI company, then buys AI from his other AI company, which he funded from Tesla stock. Musk buys Twitter, twitter goes down in value. Musk buys Twitter from himself using xAI, for higher than its market value, then boasts stock gains?

So now Tesla is going to buy AI from himself, and build robots that were just pantomimed guys in suits... and somehow... profit???

I don't know what the fuck is going on in this world. But I would absolutely love to see Tesla's stock drop and all of this made up debt-financing fall apart like the house of cards it is. However, Musk saying "we're making robots now" seems to have nicely papered over what should be a massive stock decline. After his last one "Tesla isn't a car company, it's an AI company" now it's "Tesla isn't an AI company, it's a factory company".

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's simple in its principal, really..

  • you have multiple companies
  • one company (A) have some supply for some product
  • on the other company (B), you create demand for that product (i.e. for its operation)
  • thus, under your control, you make company A and B enter a trade agreement
  • as someone who brokered that deal, you get rewarded (e.g. from brokerage fee, or commision)
  • sometimes, by having a massive increase in sales, the stock for company A would increase, thus you can sell a little bit of it, which you can later buy back after the stock price goes back down
  • profit

Some facts:

  • even though they're your companies, you are a separate entity from them, and they are each its own entity
  • the money comes from the investors as well as profit, remember that they are separate
  • no, you cannot just take all the companies' money, since even though they're yours, there are corporate structures and other people at stake preventing that

So you basically come up with some excuse for moving stuff around, then you come up with some excuse to siphon off some of that good stuff.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Fuck that shit. Companies being their own legal entity was a mistake.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He’s Elizabeth Holmes on a global scale. He grifts money from the governments

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] morto@piefed.social 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tesla’s board:

hey, I know, let’s give the ketamine enthusiast who sieg heil’d a dementia-ridden psychopathic racist twice on national television a trillion dollars this year as a comp package.

[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 2 weeks ago
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that it isnt completely under is unacceptable.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Stock price went from $430 to $450.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's been sliding all month.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

The car manufacturer is a front for the ~~money laundry~~ investment vehicle

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[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 31 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Every 3rd car is a Tesla where I am. Many of which are newer models. At this point I feel like people are unable to vote with their wallet.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Some people already bought them and can’t afford to flip them for another car in this economy. Some are in leases that haven’t expired yet.

Tesla sales will continue to decline until Elon leaves the company. There’s too much competition in the electric car space now.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

To be honest, coming from a near-launch Tesla Model 3 into the current EV market... most alternatives available in the US suck for various reasons.

I had a Polestar 3, which was great, until the AC was inconsistent on the Driver side. Only had it for 45 days before it was in for Service at Volvo 150 miles away... And has been there since last April. Still paying on it every month and having to maintain insurance... I'm still trying to get it returned as a lemon via lawyers now nearly 9 months later. In the interim I went through several Volvo, Kia, Mercedes, and Hyundai EV rentals, and talking to a coworker who has an EV Mustang. All of them felt like EV afterthoughts made just so they could say they have EV options.

The American brands almost exclusively use the same base vehicles and even interiors as their non-EV options and thus there are arbitrary things that just don't need to be there and make it feel like they're just making a car to say they have one (which is exactly what they're doing).

For instance, my biggest pet peeve is having a Start/Stop button as if the thing still had an engine. There's no need to have it since the cars are on all the time anyway. Its just an unnecessary step both when getting in and leaving the car. And it artificially prevents you from interacting with the vehicle like rolling down windows or the roof cover while it's "off". It's small, but just shows it wasn't designed to be an EV, they just took the same shit from before and dropped an EV powertrain in and called it a day.

Several brands also use the same outsourced platform like GM's Ultima platform. So every one of those vehicles feels the same regardless of the brand it's under, or the slightly different exteriors. The interiors are nearly identical and use GM parts regardless of brand. The Honda Prologue that I got after my Model 3 while waiting to see about new offerings in a few years, doesn't feel like a Honda at all. It drives and feels like a Chevy Blazer. Because it is.

The only EVs I've driven that actually felt like they took advantage of being an EV were from EV companies, no legacy automakers. Tesla, Polestar, Lucid, Rivian. Everyone else the vehicle felt like an afterthought, especially after driving a Tesla for nearly 5 years, and those were often at 1.5-2x the cost for fewer bells and whistles. My current Prologue purchased before the EV credits went away was almost the same cost as my Model 3 back in 2018, and it's nowhere near the same quality or capability. And that's saying something if you know Tesla quality.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fucking outstanding, but we can do better. Down with swasticars.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

I've heard that if you spray them with a mix of vinegar and salt, that they'll likely start rusting and even short circuiting not too long after.

Both of these products can be purchased with SNAP/EBT food stamp benefits for anyone interested.

Or so the rumor goes...

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[–] dxgsthrr@feddit.uk 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

$TSLA fanbois always claim that only Tesla can sell EVs at a profit / with a huge margin (something like $10k per vehicle). Would be interested to see what kind of margin per vehicle they are making now that the tax credits are removed and it appears that much of the profit came from energy storage.

[–] hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Those crazy margins lasted for like 2 quarters until it was revealed that one of the main ways they managed it was severely under allocating warranty. It was a neat trick, until vehicles actually started to come back with warranty claims and they realized they literally make the least reliable and most expensive to repair cars on the market. IIRC they were allocating like 1/3 of what Toyota does per-vehicle, which is absolutely insane given the kind of vehicles they make. Hence why they became insanely stingy with warranty claims, and you saw tons of in-warranty repairs being allocated to "goodwill" which is a distinctly different pool from warranty allocation.

The entire company is built on fraud and shell-games with SpaceX/Starlink/Boring Co. and Musk has straight up admitted as much. No one gives a shit and a judge literally ruled he's allowed to do it because line go up.

I can rant for hours about all the insanely sketchy stuff they've done solely for a one quarter boost, and plenty of other stuff where their cost-cutting directly resulted in loss of life.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

plenty of other stuff where their cost-cutting directly resulted in loss of life.

https://www.tesladeaths.com/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

Now we know why DOGE got rid of the NTHSA.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

The big change is Chinese EVs coming into Canada. Tesla sales tanked after Heil Hitler but it's only a matter of time before they enter the US. Tesla only made money for years selling carbon credits.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago
[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Somehow stocks will go up.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's slid 8% over the last month. But at a 282 p/e, it could lose 90% and still be overvalued.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] pimpampoom@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And yet their stock is skyrocketing, something is not right

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[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Good, a well deserved ass-beating to the Nazi-in-chief. Fuck Elon and his company.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

Not enough.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As well it should have. You can't sell many vehicles to people who still remember what nazi's were. Yet who really cares. In the aftermath of the nazi shit and dropped sales his board cronies paid him a trillion dollar bonus! CEO bonuses work both ways I guess, in this corrupt, fuck you, world.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

You love to see it.

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