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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure they feel the same way about the PKK.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't agree with this guy but maybe it is a jab at West claiming PKK (or any of its many branches) are freedom fighters?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a strawman to me, I don’t know of any western governments that recognize the PKK as anything other than a terrorist organization.

[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago

He is the same sociopath who denies the Assyrian and Armenian genocide. Such a statement from him about Hamas is hardly surprising.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a reminder, Turkey is a NATO member since 1952.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And it's occupying a seizable part of another country since 1974. And they basically wrote the handbook on genocide. They are basically creating bad precedents non stop since their foundation.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yep, my comment was meant to suggest that maybe it's also time for Turkey to leave NATO.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

People who say this have zero clue about Geopolitics. They are a complicated and problematic country (much like Israel) but pushing Turkey away as an ally would be a disaster for Europe.

Most particularly because it would push them into the arms of Russia and/or China pretty firmly. Either would not be good for Europe as a whole, for numerous reasons.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Meh, Nato is not supposed to be a community of shared values (like the EU) but of shared purpose in countering the soviets (or Russians, these days). Nato being in control of the Bosporus strait via Turkey helps contain the Black Sea fleet.

As long as they are a boon to Nato they should stay in. We don't need to be friends to work together - it helps, though.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But, how well has the "let's not anger Turkey otherwise they'll get closer to Russia" approach worked out? They've been literally getting closer and closer to Russia, they're still denying the Armenian genocide and are helping Azerbaijan commit a new one, they didn't hesitate to destabilize Europe by weaponizing refugees to help the far-right rise to power, and they've been illegally occupying part of Cyprus.

So again, how well had the "let's not alienate them" strategy worked out?

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Oh I'm not saying "don't alienate them". I'm saying we can argue with them and dislike Turkey but that has nothing to do whether they belong in Nato or not. As long as they keep Russia's Black Sea fleet inside and the rest of their fleet outside they are "far enough" from Russia.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

You want them to align more closely with Russia and/or China instead? That's what would happen if they were kicked out of NATO, and NATO would lose control of the Bosporus

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It’s too important as a strategic location. We must protect the Bosphorus and Dardanelles from the Golden Horde and NATO membership is a strong deterrent.

Plus, Istanbul is cool. The Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque are worth going to war over. Bodrum is super nice and historic. The first mausoleum (for King Mausus) is/was there. Göbeklitepe is maybe the most important archaeological site being explored.

Not to turn this into a tourism ad but visit historic Turkey, your NATO ally, and feel history come alive™️

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

No they are terrorists.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wonder how Tucker Carlson's old fans are going to react to this. He was pretty clear in his admiration of this authoritarian strongman.

But Christian Nationalists also wants Israel to succeed so that Jesus can come back and send everyone else to eternal torment.

How to address the cognitive dissonance?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

To address any cognitive dissonance would first require them to have some sort of cognition.