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The decline in the number of births should be seen in connection with the 'gender divergence' between increasingly progressive young women and increasingly conservative young men, observes economist Pauline Grosjean in her column.

The number of births has continued to decline in France in 2025. The fertility rate, at 1.56 children per woman, reached its lowest level since 1918. It is true that most of France's neighbors are faring even worse, and France still holds its – rather relative – status as a champion of birth rates. This decline is a universal and long-term phenomenon, with explanations that have shifted over time.

The initial phase, which has been the most studied, is that of the demographic transition, marked by the shift from a regime of high mortality and fertility to one of low mortality and fertility. France was already an exception, having started its demographic transition in the 18th century, before other countries. Without this early transition, some economists estimate, France's population would today stand at 250 million.

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The demographic reality will hit hard, then all those western countries will compete to attract immigrants, to wipe their old asses and contribute to pension funds. Those who accept immigrants today will rule the world tomorrow.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago

It is already hitting hard and not just Western countries. The fertility rate is below replacement on every continent besides Africa already. Countries like China and Thailand have shrinking populations today. The global fertility rate was at 2.3 in 2023 according to the UN.

[–] Prancingpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Something to keep in mind while talking about birth rate in France, is that we have a retirement system that is centered around growth. We do not have individual retirement plans, we pay each month for the currently retired people, and the workers will pay for ours when we retire. This creates a problem when the population of retired ppl is in augmentation and the active population ( working and paying taxes) is declining.

For a long time there was way more active pop than retired so we have a safety net, but it will slowly erode. And currently the political "solution" being pushed is not growing the active population (immigration for instance), but shifting the system towards a capitalisation (ie. Simililar to 401k)

[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The logical thing to do is to raise the retirement age, especially eith increasing life expectancy. But even suggesting something like this has half of France up in arms...

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Maybe the logical thing to do wouldn't be to bake fucking pyramid schemes into your society. I'm looking at you social security

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Most of France's neighbors are farting even worse..."

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

It's the sauerkraut.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

They've been pulling the long con, exporting ze stinky cheezes

[–] stepan@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago
[–] potatogamer@ttrpg.network 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm sure their rulers are having no trouble reproducing.

The middle class is being bred out of the gene pool.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

the ruling class is often inbred.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm really confused about what you're trying to say, because it kind of sounds like replacement theory

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

No that's not what he's saying. He's saying the wealthy are trying to kill the rest of us off, or at least thin the herd. Though be it on purpose or just through incompetence is the question. It's not a crazy Theory really.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why wasn't the lower class included in the statement? If it's because they're breeding like rabbits then "it kind of sounds like replacement theory". I don't know why that group was omitted but it leaves that interpretation open

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because the poor tend to be less educated in ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies. So we see rich people having as many kids as they want, and poor people having a lot of kids, often accidentally, and only the middle class moderating themselves.

[–] pleksi@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I dont know whats the situation in france but in finland highly educated (middle class) people have more children than working class people.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 4 points 23 hours ago

I failed to find much data for France but it looks like for the US there is a slight downward trend with wage so no rich having lots of babies and no middle class not having babies:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

[–] Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

In the US there are people who you would think we're literally unfuckable, looks, hygiene and filthy poor and yet they find someone and have 7 kids.

I've seen women and men alike that almost make you want to throw up by looking at them but somehow have a fuckn kid crawling on them.

[–] pleksi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Oh for sure feels like that in Finland too but apparently statistically speaking for every one of those families there’s a bunch of people who never reproduce whereas middle class educated people have 2-3 children pretty consistently.

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Okay, I read it and re read it and, unless I'm mistaken, I think he meant "rich people have money for kids, whilst the middle class doesn't". Which I don't necessarily agree with (ofc rich people have money and we have less and less, I agree and it sucks, but is it behind the birth rates, really?), that's much better than just another racist take. 😅

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The article up to the paywall is just "blame women"

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Y u no want to fuck with stupid fucks?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The vibe I got was blame men for not being appealing enough

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And in the end, it all boils down to:

"Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome."

If the system makes raising children expensive, pushes for individualism, career, productivity and consumption while making high paying jobs located in child unfriendly cities, you get this as an outcome. And of course systemic changes are immediately wiped off the table because a small number at the top profit from the system as it is.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

also COL areas

[–] cyrano@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Exactly this

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