Let me know if you figure it out, if it's not moisture. Admittedly I don't have much pteg experience, mostly PLA, ASA, ABS, and PC
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That's a tough one. Those small points hanging ledges pose a lot of problems for printers and petg is not a forgiving filament type.
As others have said, petg can be a harder filament to print. Even dry it tends to be more viscous leading to oozing, stringing. I'm not convinced that's the problem but it could be part of it as build up from stinging or over extrusion can cause collisions leading to something like this.
The damage looks like it's happening on one side. That hints at either a cooling problem or some movement or seam placement problem.
Looking at pictures of your printer it looks like it has too fans so I suspect that side had direct cooling and the openness means it's probably not getting a wall that would affect it.
Related to movement, speed/acceleration could be an issue. You might have heard scratching while printing in this area. If so slight warping during cooling or from over extrusion could lead the nuzzle colliding. On a more solid print you could probably get away with ignoring it as it wouldn't affect the print but with such small parts small impacts over time will lead to knocking parts off or distorting them. Try slowing down the print. Most of the print here is delecate but you can do that in modifiers if you want other parts of the print to be fast.
Not sure how much that adds or helps but good luck.
Seems like everyone shouts dry your filament when they have no clue whats going on. This is just a very hard print with a not perfectly calibrated printer. Has nothing to do with filament humidity. Nothing at all. Calibrate & fine tune the printer. The printing communities feedback/advice is getting progressively worse while printing gets more accessible year for year.
Late to the party, but...
How well tuned is your printer? This whole print is a torture test with lots of retractions and thin walls. For things to go well you will have needed to dial in flow rate, print temperature, cooling, and retraction. As someone else said, if the nozzle catches on an unsupported lever arm (aka one of the vertical pieces before a horizontal bridge has been completed) it can/will break it off.
If your printer has never pulled off this type of print before I suggest running through some basic tuning tests before worrying about potentially wet filament unless you live in a very humid environment. I live in a temperate climate where it doesn't generally get that humid. My printer and filament live in my basement, which has a dehumidifier in it. I've never dried a role of filament and I leave spools unfinished for 6+ months. That's not to say that you never should dry your filament or that doing so won't improve print quality. I'm just trying to say that I have not experienced a higher rate of print failure with older spools.
Thanks! I'm a beginner, got the printer about two months back. I didn't do any special tuning apart from auto leveling the bed.
I printed a temp tower with this filament, and it was okay from my viewpoint. Long overhangs were droopy on lower temperatures, and it had stringing from pointy ends on higher temps. I printed a few PETG prints before, but nothing with such fine details as this hexagonal thing.
Can you point me to some good source of info about tuning? For a noob like me it is hard to tell good resource from slop-compiled one...
Hexagonal designs are so pointlessly and hard to print
But... but... but they are pretty!
Thanks again for the valuable feedback! I printed it again with higher temperature, 240. It didn't change much, overall. Same print errors remained, however I got a few less of broken hexagons, so overall the print feels more sturdy.
Looks like the majority opinion here is to blame that all on wet filament. I don't have the right equipment to dry it, so I'd probably just avoid printing similar parts with this spool, and take more precautions when it will be time for a next one. My drybox spool holder build is almost ready.
Looks like a filament moisture issue to me. PETG can get real weird unless it’s really dry. Temp is also a little low, but drying the filament will also fix the stringing issues you were seeing at 240
Thanks! I think I unpacked this filament about a month ago, and it was on open air for about two weeks, in 40-50% humidity. then I put it into a dry box with a box of silica gel, and it stays there at about 20% humidity. Until I take it out for a print. Is silica gel good enough for drying? I don't have the drying machine.
there is no issues with humidity
Silica gel has worked pretty well for me to keep a spool dry for a couple months, but I’ve never tried to dry a “wet” spool with it, so no idea. I’ve dried petg spools in the oven before, and it worked out. Can’t remember what temperature, but I’m sure that’s floating around on the internet somewhere.
Also the silica gel only keeps stuff dry if it’s dry itself. You can also heat that in the oven or a microwave to do that.
So yeah I’ve found petg (or at least the cheap stuff I’ve bought) to be kind of a pain. But if you’re almost neurotic about keeping it dry, you can get some super nice results. I only use it if I really want something to be clear
In the oven??? But wouldn't it just melt? I have a gas oven, I don't think it can go too low. But I will look it up. Maybe microwave is a way to go. Thanks for the tip.
A lot of people use food dehydrators. You can even get a spool holder that feeds the filament to your printer and dries it at the same time.
Microwave will not work. Unless you’re incredibly careful/lucky, you’ll ruin your filament. You can use your printer’s heated bed to dry it. Look up how to do it online, but basically you lay it on the bed, put a box over it to enclose it, turn the bed to 55°, and let it dry like that for 10 hours. That’s for PLA though, so you may have to go hotter for PETG.
Silica gel works to keep it from getting wet, but it won’t work to dry it, since the filament wants to hold on to that water. The only way to get the water out is to use heat. (Or maybe a vacuum chamber, but heat is a lot easier.)
Yeah, my oven is electric. Internet says 65C, which is conveniently as low as my oven goes
Yes. This absolutely looks like a moisture issue. Drying the filament will almost definitely help.
Yes, I second making sure the filament is well dried before printing. It usually fixes issues like this for me.
HUMIDITY
Nope
It looks to me that more is going on here than just how dry the filament is. I see a lot of deformity on the underside of overhang structures which makes me think that the temp is actually too high for the speed that your printing at. I would guess as the plastic went down it was curling edges upwards into the height of the next layer and eventually the nozzle hit this plastic that was too high causing some damage. What speed are you printing at ? Petg likes to print real slow in my experience. Like 20mm/s or less gives it more time to cool. I go as slow as 5-10mm/s when I'm using a large nozzle, but with a .04 you can go faster. Lowering the nozzle temp will reduce the puddling and curling up effect.
I don't dry filaments because I don't care that much about things being perfect. If my plastic is going down goopy, I just turn down the nozzle temp until it isn't... I've come to accept that things often print better if I set the print speeds to be slow. It gives the layers more time to cool before the nozzle comes back around.
All right, I think you are right on the curling upwards. I started another print, which is also using similar hexagonal sides, but is more massive - hexagons are larger, and walls are thicker. And it warps up visibly! When these overhanging arms on upper part of hexagons start printing, they just warp up while cooling. Then when nozzle comes back for the next layer, it hits the warped edges, pushing filament to the sides and making these artifacts. It didn't break any segments, as they are thicker, but I bet that's what happened in the original print.
On the new thicker print, the base of the model lifted up from the bed on one side at some point. I was watching the first two layers, so this happened some time later. Gonna try to slow down the print, lower nozzle temp a bit, bump up the bed temp a bit. Will see what happens.
Thanks for another interesting point. It is faster than you are suggesting. My slicer settings for "external perimeters" is 25 mm/s and for "perimeters" is 40 mm/s. There are no other type of movements on these hexagonal structures.
I may try slower printing at some point, but it's already a 7 hour print 😄
My guess is mechanical stress during the print.
Think of your print object as a lever. The attachment to the print bed is the fulcrum. The taller the object gets, the longer the lever arm and the more potential for movement, especially while the plastic is still warm and soft.
On the other end of the lever is the nozzle spitting out melted plastic. The melted plastic is sticky (PETG in particular is kind of like chewing gum at print temperature). As the nozzle moves across the printed surface, the sticky plastic pulls on the previous layer, exerting a lateral force (you can watch this happen during the print, it's most obvious with tall thin parts). If there isn't enough contact area between the topmost layer and the one below it (which in your case it appears those parts of the hexagons have very little contact with the layer below) then the top layer can be ripped off.
Basically the individual limbs of the hexagons are too thin, and the angles are too steep. As the print gets taller the whole thing will flex more, making failures more likely near the top.
That also makes sense. I imagine if there is a way to increase adhesion between layers that would help with such problem
How long has your filament been exposed to air? It looks like blobby wet filament to me.
Nooope
2-3 weeks before I put it into a dry box with a bunch of silica gel