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Why are local cops surrendering the 10th amendment to a handful of feds? They have 10x that in cops, right there, overwhelm them to stand up for your state.
This is why no one likes these dems except for the republicans that puah them around.
You think cops are Dems?
The police are fascist generally. They are supervised ostensibly by democratic leaders, sheriffs that are elected excluded. City cops are overseen my mayors and city councils usually, with the power to replace them at will, in theory. In practice they are dirty and the cops could take them down, and were chosen to be weak and not upset entrenched interests, which sucks for us now with Republicans that have learned to play high stakes chicken with them and win every single time.
If you want a real answer instead of knee jerk hatred towards cops:
Cops are local police, and have local authority. They do not have jurisdiction or authority over federal agencies.
If they moved on ICE, that would literally start a Civil War. As law would become the word of local authority versus federal authority in determining who has any.
The officers in Minnesota are not defending ICE. They're trying their best to not be the ones that start the Civil War ICE is trying to.
Because ICE has federal authority, anything local authority does will create a conflict that ICE and Trump will use to justify martial law. They want to use our military to invade swing states, so the Police in Minnesota are trying to prevent that through not openinly engaging with ICE agent provocateurs.
Because ICE has federal authority, anything local authority does will create a conflict that ICE and Trump will use to justify martial law.
In other words, the states shouldn't exercise their own authority or else the feds will keep escalating the things they're already doing? At this point I don't see any reason to believe that Trump won't declare martial law regardless of what Minnesota does. The question isn't whether or not he will escalate, it's whether or not there will be resistance.
Imo, the question is who fires the first shot. If it's Minnesota PD, Trump will engineer them into the enemy and have a larger pool of people believing him.
If it's ICE, and continues to be ICE, they will continue to lose support, and more importantly, continue to lose in the hearts and minds of those knowing where this is going.
As long as ICE keeps shooting first and asking quastions later, when things eventually escalate, they will meet the largest amount of resistance instead of the weakest.
Let the antagonizers make it clear who is antagonizing, and you absolutley will have a resistance.
At this point, I think we're 1 more ICE shooting away from every American with a gun showing up to the Capitol to peacefully protest the same way it was done Jan 6th.
Police of a state have jurisdiction about the unlawful murder of their own citizens. The 10th amendment specifies powers not explicitly given to the feds belong to the state. The feds control interstate commerce, foreign relations, that's about it. They have ursurped a lot of authority over the centuries, but claiming they can execute people contrary to both federal and state law and hold themselves harmless is a new one.
You might want to associate me with cop haters making that point, because you can't argue the actual point. Local authority includes people executed locally contrary to law.
By not charging, and laying down, they guarenteed impunity, not a thing for federal agents to think twice about. They don't have to worry about a state grabbing them, shipping them back. Not unless they cross the federal leadership.
Arguments that federals can execute citizens under false pretense contrary to law with impunity would never be accepted by red states, yet here you are.
I agree with everything you said. HOWEVER.
No police officer wants to be the one that gets the 10th Amendment challenged in court. These rules you described only exist UNTIL they are challenged.
Do you want them to be challenged given the current SCOTUS?
I don't. As it would be a literal constitutional crisis. One that our currupt SCOTUS would forever change the norms of given the opportunity. State police are making sure they aren't the ones providing said opportunity.
Because once SCOTUS corrupts the constitution, we will be actively in a civil war between their interpretation of the constitution, and what was before.
I'm aware of what the rules are. I'm also aware of how most of them have changed through Trumps court and likely will continue to given any and all opportunity.
It's wise to not give them any.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-minnesota-civil-war
It's already a civil war, the only thing now is to see who the belligerents are.
And people want to have the balls to tell me I'm in the moral wrong for saying we should be fucking blasting on sight by now.
I know it'll kick off some terrible awful shit; but it's either rip the bandaid off now and get it started on our terms, or wait until there are far fewer of us because we just keep letting them execute us without cause or consequence.
Sabotage is also an option, and can be nasty in winter. Make it untenable for them to stay. Keep them exposed to weather for long enough and they'll start quitting. Break windows, break heaters, spray water on everything, etc.
Small broken pieces of porcelain are very effective at breaking car window glass when thrown.
Spark plug insulators, anything hardened ceramic, and some types of volcanic gravel all work. Anything harder than glass that comes to a sharp point.
This is the way.
Unorganized and random violence will just justify the insurrection act and martial law.
In minecraft servers what you want to do is target high profile individuals, that has historically been the best way.
You still need to disrupt operations on the ground. Logistical disruption does a lot more damage at the lowest level here. If they can't get goons together they pose significantly less threat in the first place.
Motor oil balloons on windshields, broken windows, flat tires, tailpipe obstructions, anything to slow down movement and coordination.
Yes absolutely.
I mean for this to be effective you need to get sympathizers within an organization. This means applying for ICE jobs and wrecking it from within. Or places they outsource work to.
Do they use a local shell station that's hiring? Whoops a customer spilled soda on the credit card machine and the pump is tampered with to say 1 gallon is 2. That will be 200 dollars cash.
I would include influencers not directly involved but knowingly lying to betray our bill of rights. For all legal means of defending the republic and her people such as remains.
They should have all been lynched in the protest yesterday
I'd wager money you're not out there doing any shooting yourself.
It's one thing to write some words on Lemmy, it's another to grab a gun and put your life on the line. It's even another step to go and actually take someone's life. I don't think it's so easy to kill people.
By all means though, you're in America - if you have the money arm up and go shoot some ICE agents. See what happens, maybe it'll help maybe it won't but either way you'll be doing what you say people should be doing.
Dang! Oh WELL we TRIED!
-Tim Walz and other Democrats!
EXECUTED
What do you mean "refused"? Any time they have a warrant for a civilian, you don't get to fucking refuse.
I know why they didnt force the issue. It would have turned into a shoot out. What you do here is get identities of all there. Then go around and arrest them just as they getting off work.