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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42070722

A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I'd agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

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[–] Klox@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Every American knows what to do when on that jury.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately 40% would do the wrong thing just for a taste of some boot.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Conviction requires 100%

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Only takes one to cause a hung jury. Rinse and repeat.

[–] bishoponarope@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can't ask those people to starve, they can't eat anything else but boot, clearly.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

they lick it the leather off it.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Local laws may vary but defense of others is typically seen as valid too. Imminent threat of nighttime home invasion is probably in a textbook as the obvious example of when a reasonable and capable person may intervene.

Masked armed thugs stacking up on your neighbor's door? Tally ho, motherfucker.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tally ho, motherfucker

A good day to own a cannon, for self-defense. As the founding fathers intended.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See, now, I went with a spear for personal home defense. Best weapon for the average idiot, you know.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

pauses claymore setup am I going too far?

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Highlander 2077

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

and RPG, and a couple of mines.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That actually is illegal, assuming you aren't home. If you aren't home (and thus not in danger from home invaders), then setting up booby traps in your house doesn't count as self defense

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago

They make it an easy shot for sure

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Note, the law usually specifies defense of the innocent.

Even minor charges against the person you’re defending could complicate your legal case.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thats what the jury is for

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Juries that are notoriously well known for trusting cops and police testimony.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Maybe a little less soon....

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But if they're not available for testimony...

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

You think every member of the Union won’t be up there on the stand to cry about how great a guy he was?

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It'd be complicated, sure, but that's a drop in the much larger bucket of a case. What does a reasonable person know or believe at the moment of the perceived danger though? Won't rule it out but can't see a courtroom conclusion stating that I should have hopped on my computer to do a background check first. I do have evidence of a murderous gang of terrorists targeting people (citizen or otherwise) on American soil, however, and they like to dress up in an imitation of police gear.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Don’t get me wrong, morally you’re almost certainly justified.

It’s just that historically self defense or defense of others claims on killing a law enforcement officer are a huge uphill battle in the courts.

It’s extremely rare for a court to find killing an officer justified.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Arizona with a W rn, look at that

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But is it Arizonaw or Warizona?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

NoncredibleDefense votes for Warizona

[–] HonorableScythe@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Based as fuck.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Not only will they shoot back, more of them will show up quickly. This would not end in court for you, methinks.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Do the right thing and not have to go to court? But what's the downside?

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

'you won't win, so why even bother trying'

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

Seems like they’d kill you anyways

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

As the black panther said, be more than them and carry bigger guns

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

So does the 4th and 2nd amendment