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When do companies ask for consent? Look at Google and incognito mode. Look at 23&me, I can go on. And nobody sees anything done about it. We are numbers. Not people. That's our world
They ask for consent in the terms and conditions, you know, that long annoying text that no one really reads when signing up for stuff.
That is where they put the consent.
The thing about 23&Me is that they’re collecting data not just on the people who signed up for the service - the ones who actually skipped and accepted the T&Cs - but their family members as well.
So are Facebook and WhatsApp. If you’ve never used either of them they definitely know who you know and have a data entry with connections ready for you to claim if you do sign up to them.
It's not real consent if you're forced to agree to use the product or if the terms allow the company to alter the terms.
They ask for consent when they operate in the European Union
And that toothpaste is not getting put back in the tube.
Time to make data sharing illegal. If it is technically needed, the industry needs to have a written contract with the user, which describes in detail which data is shared. It must be a separate contract from anything else, and one each for each industry partner.
"T&Cs update : please agree to 80 pages of impenetrable legal jargon before you can continue to use your vehicle"
That's why I say it must be a written, separate contract. And not signing it must be without consequences regarding other contractual obligations.
Hahaha welcome to the eu
it is technically needed, the industry needs to have a written contract with the user, which describes in detail which data is shared. It must be a separate contract from anything else, and one each for each industry partner.
That's the Terms and Conditions that nobody reads.
The t&c are not a separate contract, though. Its a "take it or leave it" signing here gets you the car and the agreement to be spied upon.
I'm not talking about a "one click for everything". I'm talking about a separate, written contract that can be cancelled at any time, without cause for any other obligation.
The Mozilla foundation did a great report on cars & privacy.
I bought a new dishwasher and that wants to be connected to the internet "to let me know when it's finished".
Matter over Thread is what you want. It means it can work locally with anything. You do need a Thread controller (called a "thread border router"), but most people already have one. Google Home, Alexa, or Apple things all do it.
Ikea is starting to move over to this stuff. Just be aware that they're also trying to get rid of the old tech still.
Why though? Why does he want a networked dishwasher at all? There's no benefit or reason for that in the first place
I really hate those guys, you know. They really are the creeps of the cosmos, buzzing around the celestial infinite with their junky little machines that never work properly or, when they do, perform functions that no sane man would require of them and,’ he added savagely, ‘go beep to tell you when they’ve done it!’
Ford Prefect
"So long & thanks for all the fish" Douglas Adams
Honestly if a car has any form of internet connectivity built in, it should raise so many red flags before you even sit down to talk financing.
Good luck finding a modern car that doesn't, I just yank out the power to the modem
So, OnStar, for decades now, has had cellular activity whether you were paying for it or not. They just used to be careful about not selling data. But even if the user didn't pay and the manufacturer didn't sell, those models are trackable by ISP.
What amazes me is how many people not only willingly giving up their privacy without any understand of what it means to do so or the implications of it, but also so many have a defense of 'if you are in public you have no right or expectation of privacy at all'.
This is bullshit. While you have a reduced expectation of privacy by virtue of being in public, the fact that your movements are alp documented so completely either by private or public entities without warrants, your face and expressions and dress scanned, and even videos you watch on your phone based on some flock cameras I have seen is an outrage.
People have a right to sometimes just go out and disappear for a while. I used to do it all the damn as a teenager and very young adult. I didnt run away from home or skip school, but I needed genuine alone time to think and let my mind and body feel free for a moment and give myself a minor mental reset. This is impossible if I am on camera all the damn time. The last thing I want is to take a walk through some artsy parts of town or a park and then get ads on 'want to escape? Here are some nice vacation spots to go to', or get ads on shit just because I did some window shopping or in-store browsing.
And then there is this shit. How all that spying affects you financially and maybe even professionally as AI now is reviewing CVs and you better damn well believe that they will be integrating all information on you if you apply anywhere.
And for the 'this prevents crime' shit no it does not. Crime resolution rates have been dropping throughout even the wealthiest most surveillance heavy countries. A study from around 20 years ago in the UK showed thay the places with the most cameras don't have less crime or more solved crimes than those with less cameras. More funding for police and more police tools have ironically lead to a massive reduction in murder rate resolution in the US and elsewhere. Which is surprising snd terrifying... because just how many innocent people have been put in prison in the past without anyone knowing?
It is entirely about social control. Have you ever wondered why protests seem to be less effective and there aren't that many revolutions or successful coups as there were last century? That is why. (And yes I am aware they still happen, but they are much harder to pull off)
The best example I've heard is, if I wait outside your house and follow you around everywhere you go, every single time you leave the house, even though you're "in public," that's still a crime and it's called "stalking."
Even searching for someone obsessively online and being a little TOO interested in them online is cyberstalking.
The line there is different than in off-line settings, but it does exist. Someone who is a fan of an entertainer and likes all of their online posts is one thing, but a person who has plans that involve harassment is something else.
Maybe it's time to create some rules about data brokering? It's not really about tracking and consent, it's about who can sell what data about whom to what parties.
It's become an enormous business, it deals with you and I, it delights in living in the shadows, and it is almost completely unregulated. I don't really care if Toyota records my data, I care that it's allowed to sell it or share it.
I think a reasonable first step would be that all data about a specific person belongs to that person and nobody else. We have rules about photos, we need to expand them to data brokering, because the problem is the same: if you can be identified and placed, you are at risk.
Spyware in our cars? This is unacceptable.
YEAR OF THE LINUX CAR
2036 maybe
But can I choose the distro?
i use carch btw
There's probably already 10-15 linux computers in your car.
The only way to truly avoid that outcome is with enforceable rules around consent, transparency, and control, letting drivers see exactly what’s being collected, who it’s going to, and giving them a real way to say no. That, or skip the connected car entirely and drive something that isn’t quietly reporting back every time you hit the brakes.
Yeah none of that's gonna happen anytime soon. When my 16 year old car bites the dust my next car will be another one from that same era. I'm not letting big brother know everything about me and jack up my insurance rates for the privilege of being spied on.
Amen. We all drive cars older than 2015, and I've gone against anything newer.
The other issue is all those Flock cameras all over our state and surrounding areas, is almost impossible to not be tracked. I didn't consent to those being used by or municipal or city.
I'm sick of being data points on a spreadsheet!!
Leave your mobile phone at home as it knows when you're driving, speed, acceleration, routes, times. Then you have the CCTV on the roads tracking your every move with your licence plate and facial recognition.
And when you get home turn off the smart TV, smart fridge, smart dishwasher, doorbell cameras, Alexa's, Google's. These devices aren't for our convenience primarily; they're built to collect our valuable data about our living habits.
Digitally connected electricity, gas and water meters all monitor our usage thus working out our lifestyle patterns and habits. Even smart lightbulbs have the capacity to snoop on our private lives.
From the moment we wake up to turning off the light these connected devices quietly gather data about us innocuously... even when we sleep (phones monitoring breathing sounds).
Another reminder why I chose to own a bicycle.
I used to dream to have a car, but the more I grew up, the more I realize just how fucking hard it is to have one, especially paperwork and driving demands more situational awareness, of not just the space around the car but also other vehicles on the road.
Not an option for many of us. Even in the city, where I've gotten around on bicycle for years and years with no car before, it was a hostile environment, and motorists hate bicyclists with a passion. I didn't ride in the street either like in the lane holding up traffic either. But many would go out of their way to hit you, including police. I was too quick for them though.
These behaviors will only get worse, unless we change the system. We just need to help each other understand that, and then execute it!
There won't just be an "AI" bubble burst if this surveillance tech bros crap goes on for too much longer. Everyone wants to be an overlord. No one just wants to make a reasonable healthy profit anymore.
my country recently got a new behavioral car insurer. their very first move? running brainwashing 0.5 second ads on popular TV channels, that just flashes thrir logo quickly, and has just enough time to announce the name of the company. I'm not exaggerating. absolute parasite scumbags, every one of them must burn.
I don't want to drive traffic to their site, but this one is it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://drivello.hu/
stear clear from them, they have shown they are here for deception money, zero good intentions.
Can't you rip out the wifi radio, or cover it in aluminum foil or something? This is ridiculous.
TCU is what we are looking for here, in modern automotive terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_control_unit
This is the spyware box in most modern vehicles. Can you find it? Can you unplug it? What happens when you disconnect it from the computer bus of the car? Those are the questions we need answered for every car on the road, for our mutual benefit.
Plus they can pull the data if you bring it for service.