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[–] homes@piefed.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Every responding officer should be held accountable… But, unfortunately, our current laws don’t provide a framework for such a thing. Legally speaking, this case was kind of a shit show from the start. It’s very surprisingly even got an indictment.

That’s not to say these officers should not be held accountable, but the sad thing is that we simply do not have laws for their crimes

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 22 points 3 weeks ago

We should change that.

They don't need to protect or serve us but we have to follow every command, conflicting or otherwise or we get shot?

We need to have better laws.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Police can lie to you and they aren't legally required to help anyone. Yet they demand our obedience and cooperation. Shit is fucked.

[–] fratermus@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yet they demand our obedience and cooperation.

And people willingly bootlick these brave heroes who "f34r for muh life!!!" and start blasting when an acorn falls. Or when they step in front of a moving vehicle.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Can I join his force and get paid to also not do my job?

[–] donkeyass@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And let children be murdered as a result.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Man, job perks have really changed since I last looked for a job...

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Apparently yes.

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Police are not required to help you under any circumstances. Period. They can literally watch you being stabbed to death and just decide they want to sit this one out. I’m surprised you’re just now finding this out.

[–] fratermus@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Police are not required to help you under any circumstances.

When I want to see heads explode I mention

  • Warren v District of Columbia (the basis for the situation you mention); and
  • that Social Security doesn't work the way people think
    • there is no personal account that holds your contributions
    • you have no right to get any of your contributions back in your old age -- the benefit is defined by Congress and they could make it whatever they want (including nothing)

In both cases one are required by law to pay but the recipient is not required to perform. As they say, "it's good to the the king".

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Social security is a very different case, it's designed to be a safety net, even in its inception. There is no claim or language that indicates it's anything else.

Police however are prompted up by things like "protect and serve" and a lot of other language/guidance/media to be portrayed as protectors, when that's not necessarily the case.

[–] fratermus@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

There is no claim or language that indicates it’s anything else.

Agreed, the SSA itself is not making claims that mislead the public.

Police however are prompted up by things like “protect and serve”

I agree that's a problem.

a lot of other language/guidance/media to be portrayed as protectors, when that’s not necessarily the case.

I don't want to beat the dead horse, but IMO the public language/guidance/media discourse regarding the SSA is as misleading as "to protect and to serve".

If I were pushed I might say that the security part of social security is an implied guarantee that it will provide security of some kind. It does bolster financial security for many at the moment, but there is no guarantee it will do in the future.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 3 weeks ago
[–] donkeyass@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

I can at least entertain the idea that people "back the blue" to make their communities safer. But isn't this the exact fucking thing that they're supposed to protect the community from? Fuck this piece of shit and every one of those pig fucking cowards.

[–] Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

We don't need cops.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Uvalde remains the final proof that police militarization has been a complete failure. It has resulted in police that will hold someone down to deluge their eyes with pepper spray, but won't protect children from a single shooter.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

May he never have a night of peaceful sleep.

🪶

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago

"Police can shoot civilians in the face without consequences, but they have no obligation to protect kids from school shooters" -the american judiciary

Fuck this country.

[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Australia already has new gun laws from the attack in December. We shall eat our tails with bbq sauce!

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Because gun control laws are what you need when you’re on the verge of the fascists fully taking over?

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, that theory isnt proving very accurate in the US...

Unless the NRA nuts are waiting, like a surprise party sort of thing... that non-scenario would be fun!

[–] stephen01king@piefed.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Good luck using your civilian gun to fight an army.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

More luck than using your nothing.

[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well… no. Your gun kink has proven to be exactly as effective as our “nothing”.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Except for all the historical instances where armed populations have defended themselves from states.

Do you honestly think the Zapatistas or Syrian Kurds would be better off if they did not have guns to defend their homes? What about the Black Panthers using weapons to secure their communities?

Why anyone in their right mind would want to disarm themselves to be entirely at the mercy of the state is beyond me, especially in a political climate such as America today where that very state is actively intending harm and death to a large part of its population and has historically.

[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure using two examples of never ending civil war is quite the slam dunk argument you think it is mate but you do you.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And what's your alternative, no independence war and they just lose? Is that really the argument you think it is?

Having a chance to fight is better than no chance. The fact that they've been able to fight for decades shows that weapons can defend you.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you think civilians stand a chance against the largest most powerful military the world has ever seen i have a bridge to Hawaii to sell you.

Most Americans can't even pass the minimum for military training yet some how you think a bunch of overweight chain smokers with Walmart rifles is going to "stand a chance".

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You think a bunch of overweight chain smokers with Walmart rifles are the ones against the government?

But please just tell me your amazing alternative? Whats your plan to stop the fascists from cancelling the elections and continuing killing with impunity?

What are you going to do when they knock down your door to drag you away to the camps?

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because as we see the right to keep and bear arms prevents that from happening.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to exercise their use, keeping them does nothing.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You need

I don’t need anything, not my shit show

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mate, I'm armed and in Australia. That shitshow can easily happen here. It was only a few decades ago that 'poofter bashing' was normalised and assaulting minorities even more common place, things can go backwards and get worse.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Perhaps and if so, having a gun probably won’t help much. That said, if it gets to that point I’ll have no issues getting one.

I remember those days well. Being armed didn’t help Queenslanders if Joh wanted to turn his wrath on them. What did was unity and watching each others backs. Having safe places

The key to doing well in that situation is looking after each other.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who would hire any of the cops that didn’t bust into the room? “Think of the children”

[–] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Well, Ulvade citizens are so Republican they re-elected the sheriff that also did nothing while their own children were being slaughtered, so my guess would be just about any random hick town.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 3 weeks ago

The system is still working as it's designed to, I see. Shit like this is why we can't have good things.