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[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 97 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I fucking hate that word. It's not 'sideloading' to install on my own device what I want to install, to use the apps I want to use; to not use the apps I don't want to use. I am not 'sideloading' anything when I install programs on my PC. No different on my phone.

Fuck off with all these new bullshit terms that are only used to imply that what we're doing (with our own devices) is somehow outside the norm, to justify the constant enshittifcation and the growing stranglehold these corporations want on our lives. It's infuriating.

[–] RnDanger@infosec.exchange 9 points 6 days ago

@wide_eyed_stupid @Gsus4
They're "sideloading" our vocabulary

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

It's not a "bullshit new term", it's three decades old and means transferring files locally from one device to another, instead of directly downloading or uploading from/to an external server.

The origin goes back to MP3.com and i-drive in late 90's, but the most common sideloading people did was downloading music to their PC using services like iTunes, and transferring them to their mp3 players. As they did often with early PDA and smartphone apps, where the term for Android comes from - get the .apk on your computer, transfer it to your phone, and install it.
Sideloading.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 16 points 6 days ago

Okay, but Google uses it in a way where directly going to the server they host F-Droid.apk, downloading and installing it counts as sideloading.

If anything, using Google Play is sideloading by that definition, since I can't just download a release from the originators' server, they need to first transfer it into a secondary location, Google's servers, and I can only install it from there.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Fair, it's not a new term. I was born in the 80'ies, I'm familiar with the concept.

However, it's now being used with new bullshit meaning (i.e. going outside the Google/Apple app and their own offered selection), and media are normalizing this use.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so you're saying it is the wrong word, because most apks are downloaded from the internet on-device. That is not a local transfer

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[–] arararagi@ani.social 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm sure there's something in the EULA about how it's actually their device and we are just licensing it, just like software. I hate this tech feudalism so much.

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[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 237 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This framing still sucks. Google is blocking apps THEY don't approve on YOUR phone.

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. But one climb down means potentially more, as needed. 🤞🏻

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 17 points 6 days ago

Only if the protests continue with full force.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 191 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They won't kill side loading (the fact we even call it side loading instead of simply installing software is a problem). They'll just shoot it in the knees a little. No big deal.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 61 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They'll be able to stop a group of less technically savvy people, who currently are sideloading, from using their phones the way they choose. Apparently that's good enough for Google.

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

I bet you less than 1% of users are even aware and of that less than .1% can't figure out what they need. 

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't know, it's possible that the number of people already interested in sideloading and savvy enough to do it, but not savvy enough to get over this new hurdle, may be a very small number.

I mean there are already some roadblocks to sideloading and scary system messages about safety and security risks.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (10 children)

They already don't let you use Google pay if you don't give them control of your phone. This is just tightening the noose a little bit.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 38 points 6 days ago (11 children)

People shouldn't use google pay in the first place. All of these things being tied together by the same group is a problem in and of itself.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

People shouldn't use google ~~pay in the first place~~.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Push 3 degrees harder, relent 2 when there's resistance.

Meaning, 3 steps ahead for them if there's no resistance. 1 step ahead if there is.

Wait some time, repeat.

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 90 points 6 days ago (20 children)

The company says it is now developing an “advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified.” This installation flow will include safeguards to protect people who are being coerced into installing a dangerous app, or tricked by a scammer, along with “clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved.”

IIRC we already had to enable a setting and confirm a warning popup. What are they gonna do? Add more popups? A captcha-"puzzle"? Less easy to accept dialogs?

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Probably a captcha puzzle, or some other thing that requires you to connect to them and surrender your data for free for their commercial purposes.

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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 93 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So about those linux phones....

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Aaaaaaany day now..... guys..?

(I have a pinephone and no, it is absolutely nowhere near ready)

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My guess is that any good Linux phone experience would need greater funding from some company or foundation....(Valve please?)

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's kind of a double edged sword though. Android got a foothold because a small scrappy unknown company in silicon valley brought them into the fold...

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[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile the Play Store is full of scams. This isn't about safety, it making sure they get a cut from the scam apps.

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remember when people were actually excited about new android releases because they were weird and consumer friendly?

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 66 points 6 days ago

A "concession" to use your phone, and you need to give your address, phone number, and ID. Fuck off.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Weird that they want to do all the verification themselves and not just allow certificate signing using verified CAs. Oh well it's not weird because we all know Google does this to fight back against third party stores and to get developers back to their shitty one and of course to better track them.

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 34 points 6 days ago (6 children)

"side" loading is just normal loading for me. I have one single app from the google app store. (It's cookie clicker 😂)

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago

Even calling it side loading is an attempt to delegitimise the practice. To make it sound like you're doing something dodgy by the side.

It's just installing an app.

Nobody calls installing an app from outside the Microsoft store on their Windows PC "side loading".

Likewise for Macs regarding their app store, or installing an app from outside your distro's repository on Linux.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

edit: this is an article from November, its not something new...


bullshit! if this is actually what the "new" rule is, the exact same thing was already part of their unacceptable original plans.

To accommodate educational and noncommercial development, Google will introduce a new limited developer account type aimed at students and hobbyists. These accounts will not undergo full identity verification but will instead allow app installations on a restricted number of registered devices.

no to any kind of accounts, to any kind of developer registration, and any kind of install limits! its none of google's business what apps people install outside their store, and so they shouldn't be able to enforce a global installation limit for any apps!

[–] Anon764967@lemmy.org 29 points 6 days ago

I'm not worried about sideloading because I use GrapheneOS, but I'm worried that development for various apps might stop...

[–] Balldowern@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Perfect time for the Chinese to setup a shell company in Mexico that sells smartphones & devices with AOSP-android-based OS to the US. It'll sell like hot cakes.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

They're not killing sideloading, they're just building the gallows and sharpening the axe.

The outrage doesn't stop anything, it just makes them slow their plans and wait out the public outrage.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 33 points 6 days ago

The company has confirmed that it is developing an "advanced flow" to let experienced users install apps from unverified developers

How about don't change it at all, Google

[–] pantomime@leminal.space 19 points 6 days ago

Billionaires doing what a billionaire does: feign a reason to kneecap a service, force complaints about its ineffectiveness, then use that as an excuse to dismantle it entirely. I am so tired of this.

[–] ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They must really hate ReVanced.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 days ago

Oh, I bet. They probably hate GrayJay more though.

GrapheneOS is luckily out of their jurisdiction :)

[–] Zink@programming.dev 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Cool story, goog.

I'm just going to keep waiting for a linux/foss phone so that its features and capabilities are actually predictable year to year.

But maybe I'm just too picky about what features and capabilities I want. I admit I've gotten used to some pretty outlandish stuff like... lemme check my notes here... "the device does the things I tell it to do." Real galaxy-brain shit!

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[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Boiling the frog

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

I use GrapheneOS (Lineage OS and CyanogenMod before that) and I'm perfectly happy witn alternative software installation sources.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

Fuck all of this tech bros enshittification surveillance bullshit. I'm going to Radio Shack and buy a Heath Kit! /s

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

This is from November, and is about the 'student accounts' thing which doesn't at all help the central issue of being forced to make an account to distribute your app

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