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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 84 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Donald trump is not intelligent enough to create this plan. Let’s not forget he is only the figurehead for an entire movement.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Let's also not forget that, unlike Trump, the powers behind the throne don't get SS protection.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

The people behind him are making these plans. Trump only interests are money or things that look rich, which is why it's so easy to believe he wanted a ballroom. These Holocaust 2.0 steps that are happening are likely the work of Stephen Miller and Peter Thiel.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And that movement is steered by people who have been obsessively planning for this their entire adult lives.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We know. But more people should.

The whole point of the government shutdown was to start riots. The Republicans wanted to take healthcare from millions. The Democrats stopped them, but the cost was SNAP (food stamps) benefits. The Republicans were willing to starve their voting base to push the healthcare cuts — either would likely result in riots. Now it's literally attacking Americans. The goal is to push martial law and suspend elections. That is the whole point.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I live in a hard red area and a huge number of families here depend on SNAP and food stamps. They are also heavily armed.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't worry. The Great Leader will speak on Foxnews saying that he had to remove the food stamps because of any racist shit and they will use those firearms to hunt non-whites as if they were paid for it.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

And with a minimum of three more years of this, they will eventually get what they want. There is no way that this administration ends without the US military acting against domestic Americans, at some point. It is going to happen.

As much as I'm tempted to play the accellerationist and demand that we give them what they're asking for, I know that we can't rip off the bandaid like that. Americans are not yet mentally prepared to take up arms against their government. The government will strike first, after they exhaust all attempts to get the people to make the first move. Trump needs martial law or some equivalent immunity before his time in the Oval Office is up.

Our best bet might be that Trump dies of a blood clot, Vance is too unlikable to hold the tenuous fascist truces together, and the momentum falls apart.

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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 46 points 3 weeks ago

Tim Walz hurt his feelings during the election. Trump couldn't even find Minnesota on a map he's just unbelievably fragile and petty

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Wasn't sure if this was just a population thing, so:

State | population | Undocumented est |  % undocumented
TX    |     31M    |     2.0 M        |   6.4%
FL    |     23M    |     1.2 M        |   5.2%
IL    |     13M    |     0.59 M       |   4.5%
MN    |     5.8M   |      100 k       |   1.7%
CA    |     39M    |     2.9 M        |   7.4%
[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It basically is. California has the most, then texas, then Florida. All around the same percentage.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If 5-ish% of most state populations are undocumented, doesn't that make it even more bizarre to go into Minnesota, where they don't even have half the national average?

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Bizarre yet utterly predictable, seeing as it's not actually about immigration.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

MN has a substantially lower percentage, so not a population thing.

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 29 points 3 weeks ago

Even my hard red family member told me they want to incite violence. I couldn't tell if he thought it was good or bad though.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

ICE is obviously a secret police force. This was already clear when the regime (with extensive support from the Democrats btw) approved a budget for this "agency" that exceeds the military spending of medium-sized countries.

What is so difficult to understand about this? The economic elite in the US, which has been ruling the country de facto for ages, now wants to transition to a more Russian-style system (open autocracy with corresponding repressive measures), and ICE is ideally suited to make undesirable dissidents disappear.

I think everyone has been aware of this since around February 2025, except apparently the US citizens, who, despite all the absurdity, still cling to the illusion that the US is a constitutional state or even a democracy - which has not been the case for at least 30 years.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yep. And it is this delusion that allows US citizens to be subjugated so completely to Putin's 84th subject.

So long as they continue to believe it, they’ll allow ICE to abduct anyone they want in their Blue “state.”

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I hate to burst your bubble, but ICE is all over both Florida & Texas, your corporate news media simply isn't reporting it.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably because people there are mostly "okay with it". If there were big protests going on in Houston or Jacksonville, we'd hear about it.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

Also the leadership of those states is aligned with the federal government, it's a lot less safe to be a protestor down there.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah they were at first, but the media has already normalized to it.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

There are way more agents in Minnisota right now.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

I did some math.

Florida population: 23M

Florida undocumented/capita: 1 in 19

Minnesota population: 5.8M

Minnesota undocumented/capita: 1 in 58

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

That didn't vote for Trump and will be more likely to resist the invasion. Florida and Texas would invite them into their homes and throw block parties for ICE. They want the resistence.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago

Clear as day.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is middle school level retaliation. Conservatives are immature turds.

[–] bananapinball@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

"There are X undocumented"

Are they documented or undocumented, I don't follow.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Undocumented just means an immigrant who is likely here illegally. There are ways to determine the amount of people currently living/residing in a city without them having officially registered with the government (e.g. census surveys historically never cared if a person was illegal or not, they only cared about counting people).

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There’re estimates, but since we want to play coy and side with fascist dictators who are using special military forces against their own people for not voting for them:

If the problem is people crossing the southern border, why is ICE in the most northern states?

Ok, now argue the actual point.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

Look, buddy: pedantry isn't the exclusive domain of the enemy.

[–] bajabound@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All those fentanyl laden moose crossing the border.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are undocumented, that's why it's an estimate.

Honestly not sure if serious or a joke, but I've seen things today that make me believe anything.

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[–] solomonschuler@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Simply a matter of not being overturned and impeached in the second midterm election which then trump will have to face his crimes. Its life or death to him and his fellow mercenaries, so by attacking democratic states like Minnesota, and (eventually) New York, he has a fighting chance to continue his presidency for 2 more years.

This is my theory of why he's attacking minesota and other democratic states, it's not a matter of how many immigrants there are.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe the Republican states should try leftist solutions for solving illegal immigration.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

The cruelty is the point

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are swarming Florida and Texas. And with comparatively much more cooperation/less protest, because they are more popular there. The white house even made a post bragging about how rent was down in Texas.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Arm all Minnesotans and Illinoisians

[–] will@piefed.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't forget about Maine, which ICE is gearing up for next, probably because Governor Mills sticking up against Trump.

Not sure how accurate this is, but Maine has a whooping 5,000

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[–] JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not disputing the facts here, but don't think that immigrants in Texas are going unharassed.

[–] Noortjevee@mstdn.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

@DougHolland exactly...its intimidation...

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Listen, facts and math aren't their strengths.

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