Weirdly, I love KDE, but kinda hate the look of KDE apps. Don’t ask why.
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I’m the same. I like the workflow of Plasma, I just find it more practical, but Gnome actually feels like an OS made this century. All the KDE software just feels like it was made in the early 00s and since then it’s just been getting hotfixes to keep it going. I wish they’d just abandon a bunch of their projects and stop spreading themselves so thin.
There is something about the slightly bad kerning of QT that gives KDE a vaguely Windows 95 feel. Especially when you start installing extensions that make no attempt to resemble each other; there is nothing I can do to make my CPU temperature meter and my system clock look like they belong on the same computer.
Gnome on the other hand feels like MacOS with meningitis. It's designed to look nice, but not necessarily do anything.
KDE started by emulating the looks and mechanics of Windows, but with even more busy lists and dialogs. While Gnome 2 was very obviously stealing from MacOS.
I still can't bring myself to try KDE again, after having been traumatized by it twenty years ago.
It cuts even deeper than that. KDE took Microsoft's philosophy to the extreme, didn't abandon projects that crashed and burned under Windows, and somehow at long last made many things work.
Explorer was supposed to be an everything-browser. Didn't work out. Microsoft gave up and made a file explorer and separate Internet Explorer. Meanwhile, KDE made Konqueror with KHTML that browsed everything -- sftp, samba, websites, open any file within any Konqueror pane, split your view horizontally and vertically as many times as you god damn like. It was really fucking weird until you got used to it. KHTML went on to become WebKit then Blink; Internet Explorer went on to become a wrapper for Blink.
Windows 98 wanted to put HTML on your desktop as applets or gadgets or whatever. Didn't work. Sucked. Huge resource hog too. Got abandoned for the next ambitious Microsoft project that they never follow through on. Meanwhile that's exactly how Plasma works, and it rules.
Normally there are different groups of people working on different things. So those that are working on one thing probably aren't interested in working on anything else.
GNOME apps to me all few like tech demos that look cool but aren't very useful because there will always be a deal breaker of a missinf feature or behavior you can't change
Wherefore?
The default theme could be better but you can customise a lot of it. Or you can wait for the current trend of rounded borders to end and KDE will be ahead of the curve.
What is the cause?
this being possible is madness. And I’m not sure, but I think it would look better with a bit more padding by default. (Less than gnome though)
But at the same time, they’re very utilitarian, which is what I want my OS and DE to be. I want to switch to cosmic, where I tend to like the design philosophy even less, 100% out of loving the tiling components
KDE has its origins in being ‘like Windows, but with way more shit to fiddle with’. And since Windows was never good about design, and other KDE predecessors like CDE looked even worse, KDE didn't have a good example from which to learn.
In contrast, Gnome 2 was very obviously inspired by MacOS, and Apple's designers actually knew about the principles of grouping and such basic design stuff that MS never properly learned. Apple spent ages on adjusting the looks of the apps, which I guess Gnome borrowed to some extent.
They feel unfinished. I like their apps, but their designs feel like mockups.
I hate that Qt6 dropped the Motif theme. You can get a Kvantum theme that's vaguely close, but it's different enough that you can tell the difference (the old one had deeper bevels) and I tend to prioritize Qt5 if I can use it.
Is there a GUI environment that will turn my desktop into the stupid, goofy virtual reality space a lot of movies in the 90s showed off as being "the future of computing?" 🤔
I want to build a computer that just mimics the stupid hollywood vision of computers from that time because it would be fun and make me laugh.
Not exactly the same but just saw this in another thread: https://a.hollywood.computer/
lmao
I wanna run this on a laptop while in a public place.
there's a few 3d file browsers. i remember there was one like Doom where you could walk around rooms (dirs) and shoot files to delete them
That sounds fun and extremely dangerous. Lol
(Cat steps on mouse button and BFG's /home)
"...well, crap!"
Not quite what you're asking, but xfce has a Chicago 95 mod to make it look like win95.
I've been using Mint Cinnamon for years and after having used Plasma on a number of different setups Mint feels so antiquated. It's not even close, Plasma is far superior. It's so much more modern and snappy feeling and you can do so much more with it if you want. Cinnamon makes you have to figure to look in applet settings to then find the setting to modify the start menu. So unintuitive. Among a bunch of other examples I could give
This is why when people tell me that Linux Mint is user-friendly, I usually assume they don't use it themselves.
Been using cinnamon for a couple years and I'm happy with it, although I don't spend much time on my computer. Been recommending it as well since I don't know any better. What's the most user friendly distro you would recommend ?
I am happy to be so easily disproven! Thank you!
In the past I would have said Ubuntu, then kubuntu, but I have had problems lately with things not "just working" because they were installed as a snap.
If I had to recommend something, I would still recommend Ubuntu because of the community, and the ui being generally well polished.
Oh god, I reinstalled debian a bunch of times friday/saturday.
I ended up on gnome twice, once because I didn't unmark anything properly, and a second time just to see what the unspecified debian UI would look like.
I disliked/managed to use it before. Now it's so fucking macified it makes me want to vomit.
Gnome 3 isn't ‘macified’. They've actually thrown away all the good stuff they stole from MacOS in Gnome 2, when they made Gnome 3 with its own blackjack and hookers.
Gnome, kde, and what’s the 3rd logo? I suddenly have fomo.
Cinnamon, the desktop environment for Linux Mint.
You might think now that the meme is less important but it was my exact pathway as well.
Dang, I’m ashamed of myself for missing it. Mint was my gateway from windows too… I knew it was familiar.
Cinnamon.
I've been using Cinnamon for a long time and I didn't know the icon. TIL
Cinnamon >>> KDE
Imo.
KDE too clunky while cinnamon still customizable.
As a KDE person who's got an 'ol reliable Mint machine, I'm really glad Cinnamon has fans. I do wish certain customization was a little easier maybe? But it really does "just work" while looking pretty enough and not being overly obtuse.
I love my KDE and it kicks butt right now, but I don't want to see everything converge on a single DE. I want them all to improve for the people who love them for their own reasons.
Cinny rocks.
One little task that I tried on several DE. Try to change the scroll speed in the file explorer (dolphin for kde)
I had no DE except KDE where I just could go into the settings and change the value.
Afaik for cinnamon I need to recompile the whole thing.
Why would the file explorer have its own scroll speed separate from the rest of the system?
Plasma is great, it just has terrible defaults and there is no way to back up settings. I spend half an hour configuring Plasma in each install. I can't believe I'm saying this but as of Plasma 6 and its bug fixes, Plasma is much more polished than Cinnamon.
downvoted for literally having a harmless opinion, classic lemmy
It’s nothing personal, but I hate Cinnamon. I do not agree with their philosophy at all. They want to be “familiar” but that means they are trapped using outdated Windows 98 conventions while being late to the Wayland party and offering significantly less customization than KDE. When I see people recommend Cinnamon over KDE, I downvote. If you personally prefer it’s 1999 style and conventions then you keep doing you, but it’s not objectively better than KDE in any way and I do not think we should be driving new Linux users toward it.
People just misunderstand what the voting is for.
I think there should be four options for voting: agree / disagree / is relevant / is irrelevant, where the first three pushes the entry up, and the last push it down.
Compiz and Wayfire:

Never going back to desktop environments again.
Niri FTW!