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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago
[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In PA you can be gifted a gun and not have to have it registered in your name or anything after you receive it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

That's almost all places in the US. And because of that, lots of people end up breaking federal laws without realizing it all the time.

Dad wants to buy his 30yo son a rifle for Christmas? Perfectly legal.

Dad wants to buy his 30yo son who lives out of state a rifle that's legal in the son's home state for Christmas? Perfectly legal.

Dad wants to buy his 30yo son a pistol for Christmas? Perfectly legal.

Dad wants to buy his 30yo son who lives out of state a pistol that's legal in the son's home state for Christmas? Felony.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

My friend got himself into a bit of trouble. He inherited our town's only 'pawn' shop. (Technically a consignment shop, because we're far too bougie) the town also bans stores from buying or selling guns.

Now, his dad had worked out a deal with the police chief- neither particulary liked the idea of leaving guns in the possession of anyone desperate enough to be trying to quickly offload them for cash like that, the obvious concernt being that someone in that situation might resort to using that gun for crime instead.

So, while the store was prohibited from buying or selling guns, the agreement was that he could privately purchase any guns brought into the store, for his personal collection. And while he couldnt sell them out of the store, he was free to sell them put of his home, to anyone he saw fit, just as any other private collector.

Now he wasn't buying of selling many guns, maybe 20 a year, and mostly antiques (generally people inheriting a home with a grandpa'a hunting rifle or shotgun, and not wanting it around) but they did usually have a small selection around, if people were looking, and hed offload the rest upstate at a yearly gunshot.

The one caveat was that the chief of police asked that he let him know whenever he bought one, theoretically in case the were involved in a crime, but realistically the concern was that crime was someone breaking into a house to steal valuables and that gun being one of them (tbf, he also routinely reported high value items that came across his counter, for instance tools over $350, so as to avoid becoming a fence for stolen goods)

Well, my friend inherited the buisness from his dad, and with that the arrangement and reporting, and all was good. Until, a decade later, the police chief retired, and was replaced. So, months later, my friend buys an old rifle, calls the police station, and tells the chief,

"hey, this is Bob, down at the pawn shop, just wanted to let you know I picked up a 1950s era Winchester 12 gauge. "

Which led to them raiding the shop, finding the gun safe in the basement (where he was storing them to keep them out of the house per his current wife's wishes)

Fortunately, the judge was still an old town guy, and tossed the case, after asking the chief and DA whether theyd rather the guns end up in a private collection they were informed about or being sold off to some thug of the street.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How much did he pay for that 12ga rifle? Just curious

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

To me the moral of this story is, you can be a cop who knows a law needs reworking, but instead of using your station and your voice to change it, you should just selectively enforce it in your town, and then let people catch whatever consequences after you retire because really, fuck everyone but you.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

you can be a cop who knows a law needs reworking, but instead of using your station and your voice to change it

How do you know this wasn't attempted? You're acting like simply being a cop gives you the power to change legislation, which is obviously wrong.

[–] BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 7 points 15 hours ago

Guy probably meant to take care of loose ends like that when he retired but he was breaking the law in so many ways that he couldn't keep up with them all lmao

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Still waiting to see how all the guns are saving that country from fascism. That was the premise they kept arguing all the time.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Man, my mind was blown by what an original and creative take this was

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You've got that all wrong, the guns are FOR the fascism, not against it!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on who is holding it.

Turns out, while those supporting fascism embraced gun ownership, those who oppose it apparently decided sometime after 1945 that fascism will succumb to wishes and hope, so that may play a role in the discrepancy you're witinessing.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 points 20 hours ago

It seems the people who get guns as a prop for their power fantasy are also those who are attracted to fascism. But at least there are a lot of gun owners in the US whose personality doesn't revolve around guns, those who see weapons as a tool.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Many current gun owners aren't affected by what is going on, and the people that are affected haven't decided to become gun owners so far.

If you're an american citizen you (yes you!) have gun rights just like you have any other right. You don't need to be a car person to safely use a car, or a tech wizard to use your phone. You can have essential equipment and skill with firearms and still be a normal person.

I'm paraphrasing but Deviant Ollam once said owning and knowing how to use a gun is the difference between being peaceful and being helpless

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I'm a gearhead and a tech wizard. Does this mean I'll become a gun nut if I own a gun?

[–] mech@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As someone who went down that path, no.
You'll become a gun nerd, likely a collector, but not necessarily a gun nut.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Right there's people you see on the range with tricked out rifles with hand picked components, and then there's mall ninja bubba open carrying four pistols at the food court

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'mma be honest, while I understand your distinction, those using the phrase "gun nut" without a shred of irony do not. To them, you're one and the same.

Collector? Don't you mean "why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?"

Fuck it, I for one embrace the label. Honestly if anything, all conflating the two actually serves to accomplish is to normalize the actual "nuts" as "nerds," rather than making the nerds out to be nuts.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Don't you mean "why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?"

I've seen this argument used in the context that the average gun owner in the US owns 2-3 guns. For context, that's not the number of guns in the US per citizen, it's the number per gun owner.

The person complaining was saying that nobody needs more than 1 gun. This is a good example of non-gun owners getting reactionary because they don't know what they're talking about. What if someone owns a rifle, shotgun, and a pistol? That's 3 guns, all of which serve very different purposes.

Plus a lot of people don't seem to factor in that sport shooting is a thing. Personally, I regularly take a dynamics class, where you go through a variety of scenarios where you're moving between positions while shooting. There's also competition formats that do this too.

Not only that, people don't seem to understand that competition guns and everday carry guns are usually fairly different too. Much like how I wouldn't want to drive a Lamborghini to pick up groceries or haul a trailer, I generally wouldn't want to use a Sig P365 (a concealed carry gun) for a competition.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Oh for sure lmao, don't even get me started on us cloners! "Yes I have 8 different configurations of the same gun, I have the a1, a2, 727, 733, then my moderns with the a3 flattops in 3 different lengths/calibers!"

Lol I just mean that while to us nerds there may be a distinction between nut and nerd, to anyone outside of the nerddom that distinction is moot. They're just waiting to ask how many people have to die so we can "enjoy our nerd hobby." Telling them the distinction isn't going to help, they aren't "insulting" you with "nut" out of confusion but out of contempt. And so, I do not take insult in it, I accept it and "actually it's a good thing."

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Honestly? Maybe. Plenty of opportunity for tinkering and customization, and general collectability.

That said, there's as much wrong with being "a gun nut" as there is with being "a gearhead," which is to say "none, unless you run people over for fun."

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[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't you mean the people with gun saving the country from fascism? Or do you really except the guns to do it on their own?

Currently there are a few people without guns trying to stand up to fascism without violence. Most if not all are getting arrested/killed. There is also a large portion of the population that refuses to commit to violence. You see it over and over "don't take the bait," "don't give them the excuse," or "they want you to get violent."

In order to cross over and have those against the current administration with guns put everything on the line, it either needs to get so bad that those individuals have no other choice OR jury nullification needs to occur in a high profile matter.

Put another way, has enough happened that YOU are personally willing to sacrifice your life to stand up against what is going on? If yes, do something. If no, continue building local community networks and support structures so if/when that occurs you have the capacity to effect change through violence.

Saying that guns (the tool currently used by the facists) somehow will not be effective to combat them makes little sense. It's not a gun issue. It's a will issue.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago
[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My fellow worker: YOU need to buy a gun and legally protest with it. The fact that pro-gun Republicans are a lost cause doesn't imply armed resistance is a lost cause.

Part of the reason that Donnie can send ICE into blue cities is because many of us are unarmed. Imagine what would happen if we took lessons from the Black Panther Party and patrolled our streets with armed neighborhood watches.

[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Reminder, Ronald fucking Reagan passed the first gun restriction laws because the Black Panthers were exercising their rights.

It looks to me that these ICEholes run in packs of four. 10 armed people responding to their presence would make them think twice.

To avoid cross fire, you can flank in an L-shape

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Reminder, Ronald fucking Reagan passed the first gun restriction laws

Well no, the existence of the NFA from 1934 alone disproves that. At the time, Regan was only 23 and working as a sports broadcaster, his entire political career up to that point amounted to "Student Body President" at his college and leading a student strike that got the president of the university itself to resign. He wasn't even a California resident (much less governor) until 3y after the NFA. About 10yr later (from the NFA) he would enter actual politics as a Democrat, joining the:

Hollywood Independent Citizens Committee of the Arts, Sciences and Professions (HICCASP), worked with the AFL–CIO to fight right-to-work laws, and continued to speak out against racism when he was in Hollywood. In 1945, Reagan planned to lead an HICCASP anti-nuclear rally, but Warner Bros. prevented him from going. In 1946, he appeared in a radio program called Operation Terror to speak out against rising Ku Klux Klan activity, calling it a "capably organized systematic campaign of fascist violence and intimidation and horror".

Clearly it went downhill after that, but fun fact nonetheless.

Regardless, there were plenty gun laws before The Mulford Act (which shouldn't exist), like said NFA (which also shouldn't exist.)

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It gets really tiring watching people pretend like background checks don't exist. There is no brick-and-mortar store where you can walk in, pay and walk out with a gun 5 minutes later no questions asked.

And that's doubly so for online orders. Those have to get transferred to a local FFL who go through the background check when you pick it up

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

While this is true, it’s my understanding that those background check requirements are easily circumvented at gun shows in many states.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Not so. According to the Federal Firearms Act (FFA), even as a private seller, you're still responsible for confirming the person you're selling to is legally eligible to own what you're selling them. In fact, there's even a number you can call to have the same background check done they do at gun stores, it just takes a lot longer to go through the process.

If that person is a felon, and if they get caught with that gun and if they trace it back to you, you'll be investigated for illegally selling guns to felons.

Some states don't even allow you to privately sell firearms; you're required to pay an FFL license holder to do the transfer or use the state police as an intermediary to transfer possession.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 28 points 1 day ago

Any sale between private individuals is entirely off the record.

FFL dealers still have to run the check at gun shows.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're thinking of in-person private sales. You can buy a gun from another person directly without a check (in some states). This still carries some risks as you'd have to prove this transaction if the gun turns up in a crime and you get pointed at in one way one or another.

Gun dealers carry a massive risk for skipping the check and anyone who needs to skip a check to buy a gun is going to know they won't be approved, and they both get the axe if either party gets caught - So its a lose-lose deal that will rarely get taken.

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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you have to have a background check to get a pistol in ky, but you can get a long rifle without one.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Every firearm requires a standard 4473 form and background check when sold at a licensed dealer. Private sale laws do vary by state, idk KY.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That change after 2020? That was the last time I purchased (was at a licensed dealer)

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, changed in ~~about~~ exactly 1968. They then became "instant" in 1993.

Either it wasn't a licensed dealer but rather a private seller who looked enough like one to you at the time (legal), or they are a registered FFL and sold it to you illegally (a them problem not a you problem, you're good unless you're a felon or something).

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Well, I never bought a long rifle from a store, only the pistol, which again I did get a background check on. I think I'm just talkin out of my ass lol misremembering something

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 11 points 1 day ago

America! Fuck yeah!

[–] Damarus@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Freedom is when you have staggering numbers of gun deaths every day.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

To be fair, gun violence in the US has been declining year-over-year for over half a decade now.

The number of "mass shootings" continues to rise because the definition of "mass shooting" has been steadily expanded such that it now includes self-defense shootings, gang-on-gang shootings, officer-involved shootings, shootings that happen even though no crime has occurred, and many other events that don't typically come to mind when one hears the term "mass shooting".

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