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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 140 points 1 month ago (16 children)

The most important thing to take out of this:

He knows it's bad for his inevitable presidential run he's been focusing on, but he has to do what his wealthy donors want so they keep donating.

If he manages a first term, he'll still do shit like this, because he needs his donors for term 2.

We need a legit grass roots candidate, because when they keep their donors happy, that's doing what's good for average Americans.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You've just described exactly why the Democratic party lost touch with normal people. They couldn't resist wealthy donors. Or so says Bernie Sanders all the goddammed time.

Y'all. Stop fucking fooling yourselves. Don't let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.

You want the Dems to win? People under 35 should primary every fucking member of Congress. Boomers did this to is, and they'll keep doing this to us. Fuck them.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don’t let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.

...

We vote in primaries to avoid that.

I was trying to get people to vote in primaries, you are telling them to give up on the party and depressed primary turnout is how we get stuck with that shit in the general.

Like, if your honest about what you want, you're literally working against it right now.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We vote in primaries to avoid that.

Prior to 2012, I also believed that. Please keep in mind that the Democratic abuse of Superdelegates in 2016 to screw Bernie was so egregious that they had to reform their system to curb their egos. Some. Now they only have a 15% party leadership stake. So sanguine. So benevolent.

Many states also have closed primaries specifically to keep the party entrenched. Like where I vote, the GOP set it up generations ago, and guess which party has in recent years not lost sleep over it? Certainly not enough to bother changing it.

Primaries are the same sham as local elections with no primary in heavily single-party constituencies. Which is that the entrenched party decides who can run under their brand sure to collect people who vote down the line, and for anyone else, even lifelong registered members of that party, to run as independents. Local elections matter. So do statewide seats. And both parties want nothing more than to be in power, not to represent you.

Thinking that the other party will somehow fix what you don't like is how we have gotten here and been here since the 90s. Voting only to vote against someone else lets the slime disenfranchise you when you think it hasn't. Relying on a party to maybe, hopefully, let your vote go to who they decide, isn't democracy, and it doesn't defend or uphold democratic values. Otherwise maybe we would have something a bit more coherent than Schumer's strongly worded letters and Newsom being cautious as a lawyer "letting" one comms person tweet sass a few times for the media traction.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear:

Fuck both these parties and everyone involved. Unseat them all. Fuck both the parties, they ain't done shit but for themselves.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The treatment of Bernie in the 2016 primary also made me lose faith in our form of flawed Democracy. Living in a red state, primaries are my only chance to have any effect on the national Democratic Party and 2016 made it obvious they would accept no challenge to the status quo. Superdelegates are plainly undemocratic, but the post Citizens United world makes both parties absolutely beholden to the corporations.

We literally can not have a candidate that is against business and therefore can not have a candidate that is against fascism.

That said, I will probably continue to pull the lever on my purely symbolic, utterly pointless, placebo vote for the lesser of two evils because people don't understand that the only non-voters that matter are the ones in battleground states.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

We vote in primaries to avoid that.

Stop gloating that the party hasn't run a presidential primary without a preordained winner since 2008.

[–] tumblechinchilla@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

Ah yes. The public servants who arent serving the public. Running for any public office should not be a money race. Its been that way for way too long.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If we keep worrying about keeping political donors happy, we'll never reform anything; that's the exact opposite of what they want and will do everything to stop it.

Once he gets in office it'll be, "we need something to campaign on next election" every time reform comes up. On his final term, he'll say, "if the party is going to earn votes for my successor, I need to play ball this term," then the cycle will repeat itself.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The lesson here is:

Stop electing neoliberals like Newsom

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Campaign Finance Reform is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. Manipulating campaign financing is what causes everything bad in government. All lobbying, all promises, are bought and paid for with "campaign donations." It is legal bribery, but bribery just the same.

Presidential Campaigns should be Federally funded, limited to 90-120 days, and tightly regulated in terms of appearances and speech. This is an audition and an interview process for the president of the country, and the process should filter for the very best and most qualified candidates, not the most outrageous. If someone lies, over promises, abuses the other candidates or anyone else, etc. they can, and will, be disqualified from running. It's not a right to run, it's a privilege, and that privilege can be rescinded for bad behavior.

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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A ONE-TIME tax is still too much for them! Incredible. Meanwhile there are people who expect to discharge 5% of their money on a one-time expense such as needing chemotherapy, or paying their phone bills. Market gains would likely recoup the entire 5% for the billionaires after about 12-18 months. But even this is just unacceptable for them.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Rich people donate money all the time. They can handle another one.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Billionaire math

Average USA billionaire has about $7b in wealth. 

2026 * 365 ‎ = 739,490

$7,000,000,000 / 739,490‎ = $9,465.98

You would need to make $9k per day, for 2026 years, to catch up to the average billionaire wealth right now. 

It’s estimated in 2026 that it would cost $37b to end world hunger until 2030. 

Also note that Musk, Bezos, and other extreme billionaires are up to 100x of the average here ($700b for Musk). Who is making $900k per day? 

This is not natural, it’s not rational, and it’s completely bullshit. You can come up with whatever distraction you want (“wealth & income aren’t the same”), but we should be taxing every dollar above $1b at 99% or higher. 

30 years * 365 day = 10,950

$1,000,000,000 / 10,950 ‎ = $91,324.20

I could easily live off of $91k per DAY for 30 YEARS. 

If you put these numbers against a human time scale we can understand, I don’t see the argument for this level of wealth, especially not as people go hungry, without clothes or food, and children die.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Shit, $91k is more than double what I make ANNUALLY, and I'm not starving by any means. These hoarding pieces of shit need to go.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For years, I’ve heard people say, “What? You want to outlaw wealth?”

This level of wealth? Yes. Tax it at 99% above 1bn.

You won the money game. Stop playing it. Help society.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

My long standing belief is that if you hit $100M of wealth, you should get a nice fancy trophy that says "congratulations on winning capitalism", along with a 100% tax on all future income.

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Hoarding wealth is a mental illness like any other addiction.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He also vetoed a bill that would have kept private equity out of primary care so keeping a primary care physician has been a nightmare in California ever since. He gave PG&E a pass for murdering over 800 people in paradise because they were neglecting maintenance for shareholder profits. PG&E hiked our rates 6 times this year with his cronies approval and they made record profits. He’s slimy and part of the problem. Don’t ever forget that these evil Nazi tech bros came out of California and were enabled by him in his political career every step of the way.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t ever forget that these evil Nazi tech bros came out of California and were enabled by him in his political career every step of the way.

And this here is key. Every one of those Silicon Valley "techbro" sleazy rapists are where they are today because of corporate USAmerica. Silicon Valley empowered Trump and pushed Vance to be their VP. Silicon Valley is fully to blame platforming Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We must always vote for the progressives in local elections to prevent the Newsoms of the world from climbing the ladder

[–] Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In interviews this week, Newsom cited billionaires who are shifting away from the state – such as Page and Brin, with whom he has longstanding relationships

Oh no not your personal connections! What ever will the career politician do when its his turn to rake in lobbyist money :( Please god dont let this man be the dem candidate in 28

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As is already well known for most, USA only has 2 right wing parties, Democrats that are "normal" right wing. and Republicans that are extreme right wing, and has gone more and more insane over the past few decades.

There can be no doubt among normal reasonable people, that the wealth of the richest people in USA is insane now, and needs to be reigned in.

Of course an annual federal tax to achieve this would be preferable, but since that obviously isn't happening anytime soon, it is up to the states. No one needs to have $1 billion, no one even needs a tenth of that.
The rich are so sociopathic they believe they are entitled to this, and then they call people working 2 jobs entitled for wanting a living wage and healthcare!

It's disgusting that this has become normalized, it is not normal! It is sociopathic, and only a sociopathic society would allow this, and at the same time have extreme poverty. This is not about making an efficient economy, it's 100% about the sick entitlement of the rich.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

i would say UNIPARTY, they are both right wing, and often collude with each other to prevent any actual candidate from other side from turning agains the status quo. its basically like putin"s "opposition party/ opponent whom he allows from time to time.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If it doesn't turn out that man was made in Madame Tussaud's famous workshop, I will eat my hat.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I have an alternative theory:

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

finally an issue the centrists can muster the energy to fight about.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago

I am hoping we get good candidates to vote for over Newsom, both as governor and presidency. This man is corrupt, and bullies the poor.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, he's still not the preordained nominee yet? Still has to prove to the party who his owners are?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

Prove to his donors.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone.”

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I bet this chud cries in the dark as he listens to old Kirk podcasts

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[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We can not let Gruesome Newsom win the Democratic primary. Even if you don't think there are going to be the 2026 midterms/2028 election: Register as a Democrat (or check here to see how you need to be registered to participate in your state's primaries) and vote for a progressive in the 2028 Democrat primaries.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gavin is such a god damn chode motherfucker. Democrats are limp-dicked bitches that keep voting to allow themselves to be constantly be cucked by these corporate-fascist democrats, or allow Republicans to continue to convince them banning guns and remaining unarmed while asking politely will convince conservatives to stop being Christian fascists.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The controlled opposition party won't meaningfully reform the corporatism that got us in this mess? No fucking shit.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 1 month ago

If I get a chance I will vote for this tax.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good! The LAST Thing I wanted was for Homeless Mothers to have SOME Sort of Social Security Net! I think INSTEAD those Homeless Mothers should pay MORE in Tax so we can Afford even MORE Tax Dodging Billionaires in the State!

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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Fuck you, Newsom. Eat shit. You’re not the caliber of politician we need or want, and you never were.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

All about the donors.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If/when Gavin Newsom is the candidate, I'll vote for someone else, or won't vote.

[–] PodPerson@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's how Trump got elected.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Therefore, the only option left is for the leftists to take over Democratic party like how the Tea Party and MAGA took over the Republican Party, because if the Democrats run another pro-capital neoliberal after this shitshow, then America is truely done for (assuming we still have a democracy).

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Under normal circumstances, sure. If it's Gavin vs. Trump then I assume you'll vote for Gavin. Step 1 is get rid of Trump, step 2 is find a candidate that's actually good. If we can do both simultaneously then that would be wonderful.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Voting blue-no-matter-who has given us a parade of Democrats who stand for nothing, do nothing, and eagerly cooperate with fascism. I'm too old to waste another vote on such a charade.

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With a corprocrat in charge, the republic will be pushed towards collapse and the same violent thugs working for ICE will be cracking skulls before long. They will doom America to fascism or civil war, and the only way you will ever get stability lasting more than a few years is by taking control from them.

Trump will never leave office alive, so give up on an election against him. When there is a choice, you'll be voting for a JD Vance style Republican who is actually the puppet people seem to think Trump is, or you'll be voting for a Democrat. If that Democrat is a coastal elite who was only rejected by the fascists because Trump didn't like him, you've already lost. The Democrat will have a better chance in the general regardless, so it's primary or bust.

Oh yeah, you also need progressives to dominate in 2022 and 2024 down ballot, while the rich only need a king loyal to their corruption.

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[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Slickity dickity wickity Snippety dippity whippity. I tell ya. I am so shocked by this.

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