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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 3 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

A bunch of pussies hiding behind masks and dark glasses and flashing flashlight at camera to not be recognized. They know what they are doing is wrong but they love hurting women and children too much to stop.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Textbook civil behavior from the woman filming and speaking, clearly restraining herself, asking for a warrant for the intrusion.

Textbook fascism from the invaders. Door to door searches for... What? Humans? Yeah it's been happening since forever but this is scaled up orchestrated violence.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"Are you hiding any browns in this house?"
- Not the SS?

[–] johsny@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Wow, all that testosterone running rampant. Such macho men.

[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 56 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Look at these Nazi psychos. Half a (typo edit) brigade in full military gear to take on an unarmed woman who has more balls than all of these losers combined. They're treating a peaceful city like a war zone.

When is our state government going to step in and push back with force?

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 12 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Democrats still think being unarmed and asking politely will make Republicans listen. You also dont realize cop demographic also mostly filled with people who voted Republican and want this shit happening.

Y'all will never get it.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You don't get it.

[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What would you suggest that the woman should have done instead?

[–] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Clearly she should've shot at them, got their armor, and gotten herself plus her children and anyone else in the building or even behind the building killed.

Where's the state national guard? I know they're on standby, this is when they start taking action. I get that Walz is afraid of where this will lead but that's on the administration, not him.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 31 minutes ago

State national guard are able to (and have been) federalized. There are few armed forces in states that solely answer to the governor (and can't be overridden by the federal government).

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 20 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's fucking back to cowboy country. No rules of Law apply Anymore. Start shoot the dangerious People at your door America. Isn't that why you love your guns?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There are hostages in most houses. If you're gonna shoot, be prepared for Waco.

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

I'll go further than that. If you shoot, prepare for a 'swat-lite' squad to attempt to breach, and then after they've embarrassed themselves, for the local cops, nearby fbi, and atf to waco your ass... unless you're in a rural area, and then it's ruby ridge all over.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 86 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is exactly what the NRA told us for decades would happen under Democrats.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago

But this is happening to immigrants and people of color; not white, hetero conservative Christians. So it's completely fine. /s

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

If an unidentified armed Nazi breaks my door down I am absolutely burying them six feet under.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

Sure if it's one or two but you can't fight 10 of them like in this video. Though my bet would be that these little bitches would scram immediatly when fought back.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Remember, if you want to go through body armor, you'll either have a hell of a time finding AP ammo, need to hand-load your own, or -- the economical, thinking man's choice -- have 12 gauge slugs. Buckshot and regular FMJ will not cut it unless you're more confident in your shot placement under pressure than I am (in which case, aim for the face or the groin, but not center mass)

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

If they are close enough to me to film as close as I've seen, I feel like they're close enough for face shots?

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

You might get the one in front of you but the ones behind them will light you up and not only kill you but everyone in the house because they will empty those AR mags. Being a MP in the Army I trained urban warfare a lot and these guys most likely have only trained once. They will freak out and just hose the whole house with no regard for children or anyone else. This is being done to get a response so elections can be postponed. I don't know the answer anymore.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

True but I think that ICE will stop going into houses very quickly if a few point guys get smoked. They're willing to kill but are they willing to die? I don't think they are.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Are you willing to get you and your family killed? What you are asking is for one family to sacrifice for us to make ICE scared. I don't think anyone wants their family to get smoked.

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If something doesn't happen before the elections, something will be orchestrated.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

I do not doubt that at all.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

While getting fired upon in return (which you presumably will be, immediately, if you're telling them to fuck off or be shot and they're not fucking off)?

Heads are small targets and hard to hit if they're moving, and they move a lot even when the body they're attached to is not actively trying to dodge gunfire. If you want to take out more than just the one you surprise, I would strongly recommend something that can punch holes in body armor -- if you're gonna go down this route, go down with >1 KDR.

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

If they are close enough to shoot you in the face three times, they are close enough to be shot in the face three times.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How? They barely understand how to stack/clear a room, but also have way more personnel to cover fire as well as what looks like at least level 3a armor.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Not sure if listing the exact details are allowed for this community, but for starters, it is far easier to acquire explosive or lethally dangerous chemical compounds that do not give a shit about level IIIa plates or soft armor, especially with enough fragmentation or corrosion. It is also relatively simple to create an electronic or fuse system for both methods, or to use an "Semi-autonomous/RC delivery system" to avoid personal bodily harm, as a civilian with minimal barriers or oversight.

Additionally, a neighborhood whose residents trust one another and are willing to come to action are a significant barrier to any individual person being raided - difficult to stack all angles with one team if nobody on the block is going to be a bystander.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

But I think that is the problem. Are you the people on you block willing to defend you and yours? Are you willing to defend them when they are being raided? These are hard questions people need to ask themselves. Think about how this shit went down in Germany in the 30s.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 36 minutes ago

That is indeed variable, I'll concede that. The initiative for communities to band together has to start before effective deterrence is established.

However, you are not out of options when forced to confront armored agents with just your family or on your lonesome. That's what I'm trying to underscore, so individuals can become crafty and observant, rather than just embracing despair.

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 2 points 1 hour ago

Right? We can seemingly barely scrape together communities to merely watch and report on ice movements, much less gather enough who are willing to throw away their lives by shooting at them.

Imagine even getting people to get rid of the automatic devices that track you everywhere in your neighborhood (ring cameras, helloooo, and now the flock cameras and similar license plate readers that the government has had everywhere for years before that).

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 hours ago

Fascist terrorists

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

This is the first time I've appreciated someone in a cell phone video repeating the same thing over and over again.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

No fucking quarter. Arm yourselves against tyranny.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So did they have a warrant?

[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Warrent? They need no stickin' Warrent!

(Spoilers, they don't know what they word means and everything they did was incredibly illegal)

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

In the 1990s, everybody was glued to the court trial of OJ Simpson. It's all anyone talked about, for a year. I have a feeling we're about to get into the era of being glued to a series of court cases like this. Where ICE agents do illegal ICE things, but ICE has the full support of the government.....and you're taking this to a government court. So the outcome of this case is important to everybody. It's very likely that trump will rig these court outcomes to go his way, so ICE aren't punished. But everybody is going to be glued to these court cases.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

~~Lady, why the fuck is your door even open if you haven't seen a warrant yet?~~ I've been informed she didn't open it, but the rest of this comment stands

I'm going to repeat this for anyone who needs to hear it: The. Door. Does. Not. Open. Without. A. Warrant. If they want to break down the door without one, wonderful, you can sue them later and probably (if the courts aren't completely useless by that point) win enough money to buy an entire new house let alone a new door; but that does not work if your dumb ass opens the door for them and allows them to plant their jackboot in the doorway.

[–] DrWorm@lemmy.world 43 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

They knocked the door open, the lady didn't open it.

You can see the wood splinter and fragments on the ground they forced the door open illegally. You can see a video of this from the outside they broke the door open.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Oh, I didn't notice that -- well then she's in for a fantastic windfall, again assuming the court isn't completely captured by fascism.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Remember when a cop destroyed a innocent bystander’s home to find a fugitive. Owner sued the city, and judge sided with her. But the 5th circuit said nah fuck that. Also SCOTUS declined to review the case. https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/25/supreme-court-swat-teams-property-damage/76129567007/

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 2 points 1 hour ago

judge sided with her

Correction: a jury sided with her. We should always remember that 99% of the time the appellants have had to convince multiple people that they were due remuneration, not just one.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] archonet@lemy.lol 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I mean, there are still civil servants that aren't complicit in or enthusiastically going along with this bullshit. Hard to say how long it is before suing would be a completely pointless endeavor, but I don't think we're at that point yet.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Hopefully there's a run on 3 inch screws as everyone reinforces how their door hinges are attached. Although if the really want to get in they will find a way.