Orrr...hear me out, this is gonna sound wild... Or we don't believe that this debate is even one we need to have until we have actual fucking AI, which machine learning slop IS NOT. And seeing the kind of morons hyping "AI", chances are, mankind will never develop true AI because the funding goes to the morons screaming loudest, instead of actual experts slash scientists.
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I'm a programmer I think both are an art and can't be replicated by ai well. Sure you get an acceptable pic, you may get something written well (okay stretching more here I haven't read anything by ai that make me think that but it's been minimal so giving some leeway), but human art is its own quality.
Just reminded me of a bit of the Dune novels, people were putting rocks out to be sandblasted by a dust storm and selling as art. I guess I agree with Duncan on that.
Wait art needs the emotion bit, huh probably to mean more than generated stuff. Another realization but good to understand. I do think the human component is necessary... Until it isn't but not today.
I was just thinking it's like an offshoot of this effect. It also explains all the tech bros who are all-in on AI as they're experts in nothing.
Thank you. I was trying to remember this one. It's Dunning Kruger adjacent but one is evaluate one's own knowledge while the other is one evaluating another's knowledge.
People have literally experienced psychosis by doing both at once.
Not exactly what's described here imo, but still a very interesting bias, thanks!
there's professors of comics?
I'd imagine its a course as part of a broader degree, or even a purely elective course
I agree with this. I tell people to ask it questions about things they know about. Then, when they see how many errors it makes, ask them why they assume it's any better on a topic they don't know about.
You see the same effect in journalism. News stories seem pretty authoritative until you read one about a subject you know.
So it's perfect for people who are shit
No. People who are shit at something will just think it is.
Everyone assumes their expertise is special.
AI absolutely can be used for the work they know best, it's just that the individual using it will be the only one who knows how to use it correctly and everyone else will just be making slop.
Exactly. There's a Dunning-Kreuger effect here where if you don't know what you're doing, it looks like AI just miraculously does what you would have wanted it to do if you were smart enough to craft a good prompt.
But if you know what you're doing, you know what tasks it is worth using AI for, and then you craft a good prompt, get a lot of valuable processing done by the AI, and then review, fine-tune and polish the rest.
Funny enough even that second part involves a lot of chaos out due to Dunning-Kreuger effect yet again.
I had 4 different friends go "I am experienced enough in programming, I can use it responsibly" during group projects with some paraphrasing at my uni.
For context those friends ranged from juniors to freshman. We were pretty skilled but NOWHERE near that experienced.
It's Dunning-Kreuger, so when you understand the complexities within the area of your expertise you'll doubt the likelihood of effective automation using statistical brute force.
I'm not going to argue that take on "Fuck AI" but come on man, that's just not reasonable.
I use Generative AI at work because I know it's being tracked. I've offered examples and suggestions about things I've done with it.
I've then outright referred to it as the World's Worst Intern. Sometimes it does the right thing, but you always have to check. Sometimes it says it's going to do the right thing, but actually does something different. Sometimes it does completely the wrong thing.
So I have it do the things that I can do -- rote steps, easy changes I can explain faster than I can type, bulk renames or code cleanup that the compiler can validate -- but not the things I don't know if I can do. I trust the compiler, I don't trust the code it wrote. I'll use it to write the first draft of documentation based on the steps I took, but I'm editing it and expanding it.
It's not smart. It's not intelligent. It can kind of do things as long as you're willing to let it flail for a while or to spend the time checking it's work. It's the World's Worst Intern.
Comics professor?
Pfft. It's actually graphic novel professor.
It's a tumblr post, yes, of course they paid $80k for a 4 year degree in how to draw specifically comics.
This is very normal for tumblr standards.
Oh wait, did I say tumblr, I meant BlueSky.
They're the same thing, the same people.
Oh wait, is this actually a uh um, a reblog of a tumbr post onto BlueSky, by the same person, dual posting on platforms?
Oh look, it is.
Tumblr is BlueSky is Tumblr is BlueSky.
Being honest, I don't like using AI for much of anything. I have been encouraged to use it at work, but aside from rubber-ducking with it to plan out my own strategies, it's useless.
At home, it's a chatbot. I initially used it like I use random names or locations for writing and RPGs. Now, I stick to Donjon and a few others. The biggest thing I ever had it successfully do was help me construct puns I couldn't quite figure.
That's a really good point.
So basically all these teachers are myopic assholes, is what I'm reading.
AI is just... its a broken mirror, a poisoned forbidden fruit.
It just brings out the worst in everyone and everything.
Chances are very high that AI will indeed one day be good enough.
For know I wouldn't take it for any more than a slightly more capable rubber duck that can be useful as an assistance tool. Not a replacement.
There are some truly talented people like whomever runs https://youtube.com/@NeuralViz who use AI as their main creative tool.
But you can tell that AI had zero part in writing the script for any of those videos. It was used as a tool, by someone with skill and creativity.