just make a new alliance.
this post was submitted on 11 Jan 2026
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I think this gets discussed in the context of the European Union whenever Poland or Hungary uses their veto power to block something important. Basically, the idea is to start "EU 2" and then not invite the offending countries. Then say that EU 2 replaces EU 1 and refuse to let anyone else tell you otherwise.
yeah, i think ppl just need to remember: everything about society is made up. these things aren't handed down by God. they are not eternal.
they were made by man, and they can be replaced. all we lack is the will to do so.
You can kick the US out and it would still be a corrupted cesspool or crony politicians and army exec bribed by the weapon industry
Well yea but the US has like... A large percentage of those
The US has access to all of the systems. From a security standpoint they would want to build a new organization.
Now Excluding America Treaty Organization (NEATO)
Neat.
Neature
They way I see it, USA can't be kicked out but it can leave.
That said I don't see a problem in making a new NATO, without the US and (hopefully) without veto rights
as far as i understand it, nato does not have any democratic principles in its rules because was assumed that everyone in it wants the same thing, so everything needs to be done with full agreement. that's why sweden and finland were blocked from entering for multiple years, turkiye would not allow them in.
so basically, as long as the us wants to be in nato, it will be in nato. better to scrap it and start again. i propose the name na2.
How about nay2? Thst way, when it comes to the unavoidable acoustical misunderstandings, it's also the answer to what's talked about.
Keep the name and call it NATO: Nations Against Trump Organization
nato does not have any democratic principles in its rules because was assumed that everyone in it wants the same thing, so everything needs to be done with full agreement.
Consensus decision-making is a group decision-making process in which participants work together to develop proposals for actions that achieve a broad acceptance. Consensus is reached when everyone in the group assents to a decision (or almost everyone; see stand aside) even if some do not fully agree to or support all aspects of it. It differs from simple unanimity, which requires all participants to support a decision. Consensus decision-making in a democracy is consensus democracy.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making
Consensus is far more democratic than majority rule, which is the norm in most Western democracies.
only if all actors are working in good faith.
i propose the name na2.
Clever, but I don't see why it should be limited to North Atlantic countries.
If for instance Australia and South Korea want to join, that should be an option.
Eurovision 2
What if China wants to join? Or Russia? What would be the policy?
The standard for NATO has always been to only accept democracies.
I see no reason why we would change that requirement for a new alliance.
I'd even go so far as to make respect of human rights a demand too like we have in EU, so we for instance exclude countries with death penalty.
There needs to be common values that we want to protect, with NATO it was democracy, based on our experience with USA, we need to extend that to include respect for international law and human rights as well as protecting democracy.
the policy shoud be "this is union of democratic countries"
And who decides which countries are democratic and which are not?
we have the whole field of expertise for that, we call it the political science. and no one with more than 2 brain cells thinks china or russia are democratic countries.
So having 2 braincells should be a policy then!
that would be necessary, not sufficient condition.
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I think we should go with GDI, Global Defence Initiative
Meanwhile US creates the GWI
You mean the Brotherhood of Nod
because it's full of yes men?
doesn't necessarily need to be short for North Atlantic, could be Not America's no. 2
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They want it to survive and outlast Trump. Kicking out the US is Putin's wet dream.
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