I studied French for six semesters. I kept failing.
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Joke's on you. I can do both those accents.
I am the world's shittiest polyglot. I lost a lot of my native language, turkish. I can get by. I speak english, but my accent is getting worse. I studied german in school for 5 years and forgot most of it. I live in the river plate, so the shitty amount of intermediate spanish I can speak has one of the worst accents for spanish, just behind tied first of caribbean and chilean. I can READ cyrillic, but not understand it, except few words whichever language has in common with languages I know. I can recognize some chinese glyphs, and understand some words.
I have no idea about any grammar words except the obvious ones (verb, noun) and get as much use of IPAs as I do IPAs (the pronunciation guide/the beer)
I have seen the vowel chart a billion times and still don't understand it.
US high schools will graduate students with missing elective credits. They won't allow a falling grade from that rite of passage. Administrators have the power to change a grade in spite of a teacher's documentation
Most people who take a language in school don't keep at it. We're just doing it because it's required, and to pass the class. I took French in high school. The only person I've ever met who spoke French fluently was my teacher. I really should have taken Spanish, but I wanted to be "different".
In Europe, also, because of the open borders, and being packed so close together, people encounter foreign languages far more frequently. It makes sense they'd all want to, and benefit from, knowing multiple languages. And, they'd have more opportunities to practice. Not many Japanese speak a second language, compared to Europeans, for instance.
Ah, ma petit chou... Voulez-vous couchez avec mois ce soir?
Pourquoi le crocodile a-t-il tué le macaron avec la pièce de vingt-cinq cents plaquée nickel?
My school taught Indonesian. It was a very popular complaint among students that we should be learning a more ubiquitous language like French, German, Japanese, Mandarin, or Spanish.
The only thing I know in Indonesian is ular besar (big snake)
Bahasa Indonesia is known for being relatively easy to learn, so perhaps you got lucky. At least it's more interesting than, say, French.
ular besar (big snake)
😉
Well, around 300 people speaks Indonesian. Soo, if looking at raw speaker count, Indonesian can be categorized as ubiquitous.
I got out of the language requirement in college by taking computer science courses, which counted as "language" only because programming languages are called what they are. It is just the dumbest fucking shit. If they were called "paradigms" or "code instruction sets" or something like that (which would be just as or more accurate than "languages") it never would have occurred to anyone to let us computer nerds -- who are already not exactly well-rounded in general -- to get out of learning a real fucking language.
I had a co-worker who took a few semesters of Spanish in high school, she got all As, and then went on a class trip to Mexico. At first, she couldn't understand a thing, but she said as she listened and tried, "something snapped" and suddenly she got it.
I took Spanish from age 12-22 and German from 18-23 and 29-31.
I speak both those languages, though my Spanish is rusty, because I moved to Germany and don’t have much contact with Spanish speakers.
How's your Turkish?
Abi, I got the reference
I never took it in school, and I don’t have much contact with it now either. I’m picking up some Arabic now though.
Yritän oppia suomen, mutta unohdin harjoitella kuukausin ajan
(If I made a mistake tell me)
Where you randomly pressing buttons?
j/k but Finnish does feel like that
I took english in school, and I speak it all the time :3
Good job. English is a very hard language that barely uses logic.
Have you tried French?
English is one of the easiest languages in the world to learn.
Chinese, Arabic, and Russian speakers laugh at me when I say this.
Why? There's plenty of strange things in English, inconsistent grammar rules, weird pronunciations, and pointless words for simple ideas.
Like there's umpteen words to describe different kinds of meat, pork, beef, veal, mutton. In Chinese you can get away with saying just the animal + meat, 猪肉, 牛肉, 小牛肉, 羊肉 (pig meat, cow meat, young cow meat, goat meat).
English has stupid rules around pluralisation. There's been arguments that the origin of the word should dictate how it's pluralised, and other arguments that a "true English" pluralisation rule should apply, but then incorrect usage slips into common vernacular and suddenly it's perfectly okay to pluralise a Greek word with a Latin plural suffix. Then you end up with the plural of octopus being octopodes, octopuses, and octopi!
The long and the short of it is that all languages have weird-ass quirks in them that don't necessarily make any sense but feel natural to their native speakers. It's a prime example of how intuitiveness isn't actually real a thing.
You can get away with lots of things in English too! Just curious, do you speak another (than english) second language ?
I speak Japanese, and can still read German and understand most of it. German’s the secondary language I studied.
I’m a native Swedish speaker so technically English is my second language, and the others came after.
All languages have their difficulties. English pronunciation and spelling is a mess but grammar is easy for example. My native language has 3 genders and 4 cases for example and there are languages with more.
I did but I had after-school classes because I sucked at taekwondo and football, lol. So I learned French and ended up moving to France, eventually becoming a national, and also learned English and ended up marrying a Brit. 🤷
Went here too, but married a local ☺️! Gotta do that paperwork for the french nationality though, bureaucracy is wild here.
Congrats! 🎉 And yeah, I hate French bureaucracy, it's France's truest stereotype, lol.
Et bien vous savez quoi, on peut s’entraîner un peu. Pourquoi pas s’entraider? Je vous parle en français et vous me répondez en espagnol ?
Que linda idéa. Siempre estoy feliz cuando tengo la opportunidad de practicar los dos con alguien! ☺️
Ah merci. Ravi de vous parler en Français.
see I couldn't respond to you verbally for that, but I am glad that my time learning french 15 years ago at least allows me to understand it when written out
although I did have to confirm entraider meant what it looked like it meant
¿Que?
Aaaaand that would be me
Countless hours of German and French and at best a few words remain
Time well spent?
I took German in high school and forgot it all immediately. A decade later I found myself in India studying Malayalam, the language of Kerala which is the southern-most state in the country. Very hard language to learn but as I was learning its formal grammar I was like, wait a minute this is very familiar. Turns out a German monk in the 19th Century visited Kerala and gave Malayalam its first formal grammar, which was basically just German's grammar. So it wasn't totally useless.
Hallo. Wie geht's, mon ami?
I studied a book going over "chagatai tili" in highschool.
I remember absolutely 0 words or grammar.
Most people don't really understand how many total hours of purposeful learning and actual usage is needed to become proficient.
For Japanese, it typically takes people who can't already read 漢字 about 1,325 hours to reach N3 (conversational), and 2,200 for N2 (roughly business). That means if you want to get to N2 in only one year, expect to study like five to eight hours a day.
So don't feel too bad if you can't.
Or do, and use that frustration to motivate your study.