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I generated 16 character (upper/lower) subdomain and set up a virtual host for it in Apache, and within an hour was seeing vulnerability scans.

How are folks digging this up? What's the strategy to avoid this?

I am serving it all with a single wildcard SSL cert, if that's relevant.

Thanks

Edit:

  • I am using a single wildcard cert, with no subdomains attached/embedded/however those work
  • I don’t have any subdomains registered with DNS.
  • I attempted dig axfr example.com @ns1.example.com returned zone transfer DENIED

Edit 2: I'm left wondering, is there an apache endpoint that returns all configured virtual hosts?

Edit 3: I'm going to go through this hardening guide and try against with a new random subdomain https://www.tecmint.com/apache-security-tips/

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[–] TieDyePie@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

If you do a GET / request against the IP (typically http too) does it yield a redirect to your proper fqdn? It shouldn't return anything and remain stealthy as you likely dont want to expose anything directly on IP connections and rely solely on your vhosts.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

https://crt.sh/

When a CA issues an SSL/TLS certificate, they're required to submit it to public CT logs (append-only, cryptographically verifiable ledgers). This was designed to detect misissued or malicious certificates.

Red and Blue team alike use this resource (crt.sh) to enumerate subdomains.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 34 points 1 day ago

Chrome: Sees new website domain

Google: 👀

[–] toebert@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

I can't say I know the answer but a few ideas:

  • did you access it with a browser? Maybe it snitches on you or some extension does?
  • did you try to resolve it with a public DNS server at any point (are you sure nothing forwarded the request to one)?

You could try it again, create the domain in the config and then do absolutely nothing. Don't try to confirm it works in any way. If you don't see the same behaviour you can do one of the above and then the other and see when it kicks in. If it gets picked up without you doing anything..then pass!

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 5 points 23 hours ago

You need to look at the DNS server used by whatever client is resolving that name. If it's going to an external recursive resolver instead of using your own internal DNS server then you could be leaking lookups to the wider internet.

[–] androidul@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

if you use Let’s Encrypt (ACME protocol) AFAIK you can find all domains registered in a directory that even has a search, no matter if it’s wildcard or not.

It was something like this https://crt.sh/ but can’t find the site exactly anymore

LE: you can also find some here https://search.censys.io/

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 19 points 1 day ago

This.

That's why temping obscurity for security is not a good idea. Doesn't take much to be "safe", at least reasonably safe. But that not much its good practice to be done :)

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Holy shit, this has every cert I’ve ever generated or renewed since 2015.

[–] vf2000@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Certificate Transparency makes public all issued certificates in the form of a distributed ledger, giving website owners and auditors the ability to detect and expose inappropriately issued certificates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
CA (SSL) Certificate Authority
DNS Domain Name Service/System
IP Internet Protocol
SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
TLS Transport Layer Security, supersedes SSL
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you have browser with search suggestions enabled, everything you type in URL bar gets sent to a search engine like Google to give you URL suggestions. I would not be surprised if Google uses this data to check what it knows about the domain you entered, and if it sees that it doesn't know anything, it sends the bot to scan it to get more information.

But in general, you can't access a domain without using a browser which might send that what you type to some company's backend and voila, you leaked your data.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Easily verified by creating another bunch of domains and using a browser that doesn't do tracking - like waterfox

[–] kumi@feddit.online 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What you can do is segregate networks.

If the browser runs in, say, a VM with only access to the intranet and no internet access at all, this risk is greatly reduced.

[–] oranki@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago

Maybe that particular subdomain is getting treated as the default virtual host by Apache? Are the other subdomains receiving scans too?

I don't use Apache much, but NGINX sometimes surprises on what it uses if the default is not specifically defined.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For anyone who needs to read it: At the end of the day this is obscurity, not security; however obscurity is a good secondary defense because it buys time.

I too would be interested to learn how this leaked

[–] stratself@lemdro.id 3 points 23 hours ago

My guess would be NSEC zone walking if your DNS provider supports DNSSEC. But that shouldn't work with unregistered or wildcard domains

The next guess would be during setup, someone somewhere got ahold of your SNI (and/or outgoing DNS requests). Maybe your ISP/VPN service actually logs them and announce it to the world

I suggest next time, try setting up without any over-the-internet traffic at all. E.g. always use curl with the --resolve flag on the same VM as Apache to check if it's working

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

A long time ago, I turned a PC in my basement into a web server. No DNS. Just a static IP address. Within 15 minutes, the logs showed it was getting scanned.

SSL encrypts traffic in-transit. You need to set up auth/access control. Even better, stick it behind a Web Application Firewall.

Or set up a tunnel. Cloudflare offers a free one: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/networks/connectors/cloudflare-tunnel/

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do post again if you figure it out!

[–] wasabi@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago
[–] kumi@feddit.online 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You say you have a wildcard cert but just to make sure: I don't suppose you've used ACME for Letsencrypt or some other publicly trusted CA to issue a cert including the affected name? If so it will be public in Certificate Transparency Logs.

If not I'd do it again and closely log and monitor every packet leaving the box.

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The random name is not in the public log. Someone else suggested that earlier. I checked CRT.sh and while my primary domain is there, the random one isn't.

[–] kumi@feddit.online 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My next suspicion from what you've shared so far apart from what others suggested would be something out of the http server loop.

Have you used some free public DNS server and inadvertently queried it with the name from a container or something? Developer tooling building some app with analytics not disabled? Any locally connected AI agents having access to it?

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

We're always watching.

[–] 69420@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you sure they're hitting the hostname and not just the IP directly?

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shows up by name in the apache other_hosts...log, so yes

Going to IP directly could redirect to your first domain. This would trigger another request to your domain and could result in your logs.

[–] eli@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I run my webservers behind a pfsense firewall with ssl offloading(using a wildcard cert) with a static IP and use Haproxy to have sub-domain's go to individual servers. Even though I've seen my fair share of scans, I only ever expose port 443 and keep things updated.

Recently though someone on here mentioned routing everything over Tailscale via a VPS. I didn't want to pay for a VPS and frankly can't even find one that is reasonably priced in the US(bandwidth limits mainly), so I threw Tailscale onto my pfsense, setup split-dns on Tailscale's admin panel with my domain name, and then reconfigured Haproxy to listen on my Tailscale interface. Even got IPv6 working(huge pain due to a bug it seems). Oh and setup pfblocker.

My current plan is I'm going to run my webservers behind Tailscale and keep my game servers public and probably segment those servers to a different vlan/subnet/dmz/whatever. And maybe just have a www/blog landing page that is read only on 443 and have it's config/admin panel accessible via my tailscale only.

Anyway, back on topic. I run my game servers and I don't advertise them out anywhere(wildcard cert) and do whitelist only, yet I still see my minecraft servers get hit constantly on port 25565.

So not much you can do except minimize exposure as much as possible.

[–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is interesting, I'll dig more into this direction.

But the randomly generated subdomain has never seen a DNS registrar.

I do have *.mydomain.com registered though...hmmm

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reverse DNS? Or vuln scans just hitting IPs. Don't need DNS for that.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All the obvious things have been mentioned.

The only way to identify the problem is to share the exact steps youve followed and then others can reproduce.

Based on what youve told us, no one knows how the subdomain is leaked. Without meaning to be derisive, that suggests that something youve told us isn't quite correct.

Well, the good news is that I at least think I'm doing all the right things.

I'll spin up a new VM tomorrow and start from scratch.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you yourself make a request to it or just set it up and not check it? My horrifying guess it that if you use SNI in a request every server in the middle could read the subdomain and some system in the internet routing is untrustworthy.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Scans from where? Is it exposed to the internet? What does the scan traffic look like?

Mostly from AWS or the like, with occasional Chinese and Russian origins.

The scans look like requests to various WordPress endpoints, JavaScript files associated with known vulnerabilities etc

[–] emergencycall@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

You need better logging. Try doing a packet capture with tcpdump then decrypt the HTTPS traffic. Because what you've described so far, especially before the edit makes no sense.

If you don't have a DNS record pointing the subdomain to the IP address of the server, it shouldn't be possible to resolve the IP for random Internet users. If this VHOST only exists in your Apache config file and nowhere else, it is private.

[–] a@852260996.91268476.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

@BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone are you generating certificates for each of the random subdomains?

[–] turkalino@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Fitting that someone from an instance on a random subdomain commented on this lol

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't think so? I have a letsencrypt wildcard cert, and reference that in the relevant .conf

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[–] Bombastic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Inb4 some lucky dude just ran sublist3r or wfuzz on your subdomain and got a hit

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, it could be... I'll try it with a 128 char base 52 name and see what happens

[–] Keelhaul@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you also tried making a subdomain and not making any requests to it yourself? So no browser access or other DNS resolution requests for the new subdomain. That should rule out some of the other possible causes suggested in the other comments.

[–] Morphit@feddit.uk 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Dang, it could be the upstream DNS server passing along client queries. Maybe the ISP?

In that case not even curl would be safe unless you could ensure all queries only resolve on your gear. Either use a host file entry or local DNS server.

[–] Morphit@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you sent the URL across any messaging services? Lots of them look up links you share to see if it's malware (and maybe also to shovel into their AI). Even email services do this.

Nope, but that's a good suggestion. I set this one up brand new for the experiment.

[–] FukOui@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Following this thread!

Stupid question, but are you somehow publicly exposing your vhost config (or a bak file of it)? Or do you see logs of someone bruteforcing the subdomain?

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