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A lot of replies here (obviously from people not already aware of The Discourse on this point) were genuinely confused variants on "But why, they're right, that's a valid concern." Let me leave a short thread for future readers explaining why that stuff is always unwelcome on here. (1/n)

It's totally understandable if you're dooming about any facet of the American experiment right now. So your feelings are "valid" in the sense that they represent real anxiety, and I get that. But to vent that anxiety in other people's spaces is wrong for three reasons.

First, it's factually wrong. There will be elections in 2026 and 2028 under Trump, just like there were elections last year under Trump and during his first term. This despite one of the two major parties now harboring a lot of anti-democratic elements and ideas.

I'm not particularly interested in convincing anyone on this point and won't try, the future is the future. But if the left side of the political spectrum is still the domain of scholarship and expertise, take note that you don't find scholars and experts you worrying about canceled US elections.

Second, and probably most importantly, it's tactically wrong. "No point discussing political opposition to fascism, there won't be elections anyway" cedes victory to your enemies. It's defeatism and nihilism.

Finally, it's wrong AS A MATTER OF ETIQUETTE. Entering a total stranger's discussion and leading with your private anxiety is as off-putting in social media replies as it would be in real life. If you wouldn't interrupt a stranger at a party to announce that America is doomed, don't do it here.

If you are anxious and sad about the state of the world, that's fine, and there are plenty of strategies for dealing with that. But I think you already know that drive-by online dooming isn't a strategy. It's selfish and adolescent. It's a contagion that only spreads the worst of you, not the best.

Take a second and think before posting the easy Eeyore reply. You might have something substantive to say instead. Or, even better, you can say nothing at all.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

If you actually think the current American regime is ever gonna get prosecuted then I have a bridge to sell you.
"Just vote out Hitler next election"
Good luck with that, we will see how that goes for you. I am preparing my thoughts and prayers.

[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

praying RN for u <33

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not about "there's no point discussing opposition because there won't be an election anyway," it's about "don't wait until 2028 to act and hope on voting your way out of fascism."

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That might a valid way to feel, but it's definitely not what's being said here. This is a mound of doomerism with no additional context and no take away that people need to be prepared to act. In fact, it makes it seem like there might be no point to acting

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 day ago

If you wouldn’t interrupt a stranger at a party to announce that America is doomed, don’t do it here.

I would totally tell that to a stranger at a party, if he talks about the next election. You are technically correct though. There will be "elections" just not free, equal, democratic ones.

Let me ask one question: Do you expect there to be ICE officers at voting locations?
that answer alone constitutes the difference between free elections and a something you would expect in russia.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Entering a total strangers discussion" - They posted it on a publicly accessible forum, my dude.

Also, you are probably right the US will have elections, but will they be fair? Will they be free of federal tampering? Will ICE be posted at polling booths and arrest anyone brown who tries to vote? A rigged election is not a legitimate election

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Will ICE be posted at polling booths and arrest anyone brown who tries to vote? A rigged election is not a legitimate election

Will voters stay home for fear of that because of what ICE is doing now, even if ICE doesn't actually interfere on election day?

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gotta disagree with Ken on this one. First, as other have pointed out, there is a very real possibility that Trump may find a way to cancel the elections. Laws do not matter to him or his base, and to ignore this fact is leaning too far toward "optimism" that you land in "gullible" territory.

Second, Ken is not the Arbiter of Conversation. I mean, have you seen him make small talk on Jeopardy? For crying out loud, the guy is one of the worst conversationalists on TV today. He's a fucking genius, but not somebody I'd like to spend more than 2 minutes with at the bar. People can input whatever they want, especially when you are having an open conversation. As he mentioned, their thoughts and anxieties are valid, so fucking stop trying to invalidate them.

If you don't want to see doomerism in your feed, I totally get that. I'm tired of it, too (even though I regularly contribute to it). You can totally just block or mute people if you don't want to see that, but to suggest that they shouldn't be saying it to begin with is crossing a line, IMO.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 7 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

No, he's right about the etiquette. You might not realise it if that's how you genuinely feel, especially if you talk mainly with like minded people, but it's true.

The closest I've come in actual conversation is when someone has a habit of bringing up horrible things from their life or past on the most tenuous of connections. I don't want your depression to depress me, I'm sorry.

But more important, he's right tactically. Doomerism is the wrong tactic.

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you wouldn’t interrupt a stranger at a party to announce that America is doomed, don’t do it here.

Apparently the microblogging format has made people so socially dysfunctional that they've forgotten what a conversation is.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 47 points 1 day ago

The entitlement is bizarre. It's the whole fucking point of a forum. "They're invading my space" is a rich god damned thing to say online.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is such an interesting point to me (the third one) because it has no true IRL analog and both people are correct.

Finally, it's wrong AS A MATTER OF ETIQUETTE. Entering a total stranger's discussion and leading with vour private anxiety is as off-putting in social media replies as it would be in real life. If you wouldn't interrupt a stranger at a party to announce that America is doomed, don't do it here. If you are anxious and sad about the state of the world that's fine. and there are plenty of strategies for dealing with that. But I think vou already know that drive-by online dooming isn't a strategy. It's selfish and adolescent. It's a contagion that only spreads the worst of you, not the best.

If you are Ken Jennings or someone reading his posts and comments, and a random person posts on his post with a derailing comment, it is like why should anyone tolerate that? Times 1000x for all the people who reply to popular accounts.

If you are the random person who follows Ken Jennings and his post comes up on your feed, and it feels like he is personally posting on your feed, and it is starting a conversation with you, and you feel strongly about it, why wouldn't you respond? (Without a well-developed sense of internet etiquette that is not universally agreed on).

This one-to-many communication which allows publicly viewable replies is such interesting technology for humans, with a lot of nuance and shades of gray.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yea, I've never used Twitter, but doesn't the same general etiquette apply as forum posting?

If I post something on a public forum that says something about US voting, how is that not inviting other people to continue the conversation? If you don't want people to respond, make a blog.

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[–] hesh@quokk.au 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I do believe there will probably be elections (and that they'll do everything they can to make them unfair).

But to think there's a 0% chance Trump could move to cancel elections is naive at this point. Add it to the mile-long list of things "he'll never be able to do" that he has done. He's literally already threatened to do it.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (10 children)

If Trump calls to cancel elections, and some red states don't hold them, the.correct response is "ok, you have left X seats vacant in congress.", which would be worse for Republican power than a 20-point D swing. (Especially since it makes the 2/3ds vote for removal after impeachment correspondingly lower.)

If Trump rolls out ICE to physically stop elections, then we're in a state of violent civil war. Which cannot be collectively planned for.

This isn't abortion or gay marriage being overturned by the court. It's a very straightforward bright line whose precedent was set during the US civil war, and there is zero benefit to spending any time spreading the presumption that cancelled US elections mean MAGA peacefully stays in power.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Trump has already called for cancelling elections. He use his normal prevarication bullshit like "People say I should cancel elections. You should cancel elections, but I'm not going to say it" or some doublespeek nonsense.

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[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

"Entering a total stranger’s discussion and leading with your private anxiety is as off-putting in social media replies as it would be in real life. If you wouldn’t interrupt a stranger at a party to announce that America is doomed, don’t do it here."

this take is why this guy is invalid. To these people, everything is a party, don't step on my toes, don't interrupt my vibes, etc etc liberal in-group flailing vapid futurisms to maintain legitimacy this country is over

[–] jontree255@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think we should at least be prepared for him to try to suspend elections this year and in 2028 (if he’s still alive). Now that the violence is ramping up and they’re threatening military action against the entire Western Hemisphere, the only way they stay out of prison is by staying in power through force.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Absolutely - it doesn’t take a genius to see the through line from their recent actions to suspending elections. Not to say it definitely will, but that it is a definite possibility

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago

You don't have a right to privacy or your "own space" in a public forum, and the fucking self importance to tell people what they may or may not say online because you personally feel morally superior to them is straight up juvenile. You can always leave.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a pretty bad take.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t think so. If someone has nothing more to add to a conversation than "No point discussing political opposition to fascism, there won't be elections anyway”, it’s like ignoring climate change because “we’re already screwed and there’s no way to help ourselves.”

Denial and doomers never help. They just give people an excuse to be complacent with whatever we’re given, and disempower those who are trying to improve our situation. I refuse to let the fascists win by laying down and accepting them.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with that but I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Why is it a bad thing to remind people of the possibility? If nothing else, hopefully the feeling of dread will stick with them for many elections to come and prevent us from having to deal with this every 80-odd years.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, I see what you’re saying. It’s an important distinction, and I’m glad you brought it up.

Acknowledging a problem is sensible, and that’s not what I’m arguing against. I’m not telling people to bury their heads in the sand. I just don’t think that surrendering immediately is the answer.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

Oh, then we're in full agreement. Defeatism is never the answer.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

OP didn't say anything like "No point discussing political opposition to fascism"

IMO they were discussing an important part of that opposition - realizing the Regime is going to tamper with elections, and discussing the effects and potential remedies.

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[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is crawling with this shit

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They don't need to cancel the election. All they need to do is install a few armed ICE people outside every polling place in Democrat areas.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They’ve been rigging elections for decades and we’re at the endgame now. There will always be the appearance of elections, but it will be performative. Even North Korea and Russia pretend to have elections, even if the outcomes are predetermined. That is how the US functions now.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a well thought out explanation of an amorphous feeling I would always get when discussing stuff with my now ex-wife. We'd be talking about some terrible thing that the republikkkans were undertaking, and she'd always, (always) inevitably point out "...and it's even worse for black and brown women."

And while, yeah, it is. It's a true statement, but it also kind of shuts down the conversation, ya know? So now are we only allowed to discuss the plight of black and brown women? Do bad things not happen to the rest of us?

I don't know, every time it happened, it's like she was trying to make me feel bad for thinking about anything BUT the plight of women of color, and I couldn't really explain why it wasn't adding to the discussion, but this write-up gave me the words.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Couldn't you just acknowledge that fact and move on with the conversation? Or does she try to turn the entire conversation into a discussion about minorities?

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

There will be no midterms. Notice how every single fucking day for years has been "I cannot believe this is happening", and that the breadth and depth of that is only increasing?

This horrible chapter in human history will close, for the better, like every other horrible chapter in human history: with a lot of bloodshed. Should there be political opposition to fascism? Of course. Will that be enough to turn the page? Absolutely not.

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