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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

I was in Target today so I wandered over and put my hand in two pairs of every style of women’s jeans. I tried two pairs in case one pair was poorly manufactured.

The furthest I could fit my hand was to the part where my thumb connects to the rest of my hand. That was in _one pair _not both from the same style. They were Levi’s 501 jeans.

Every other pair of jeans that I tried only went to my knuckles.

I also tried a couple of Levi 511 in the men’s section. They were shallower than I expected. They only went just past the bony part of my wrist.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Cue men telling us that it’s our fault because we don’t have pockets because we only buy pants with no pockets.

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought this was mostly a joke, but there really are men in the comments telling us to just buy men's pants 🙄

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I love when men tell me about how they know women’s clothing better than us. :)

[–] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not all men are neoliberals

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Told this story a few times before, but:

Was watching this reality contest show when I was a teenager, back when reality contest shows were incredibly popular. Can't remember the exact year, but it must've been before 2008.

Anyway, in this case it was some fashion show thing. Young aspiring designers making their own clothes, and every episode someone gets eliminated by the judges. You get the formula.

The judge for this show was this old, wrinkly, French lady who was apparently considered a major authority on Women's fashion. The topic of the day was making pants for women. The process of the show was that the designers would go out, buy materials, make the clothes, present the clothes, then have a model wear the clothes to present further, then try get the clothes sold somewhere.

This one young woman came with pocketed pants, and the judge immediately disqualified her. She didn't even look at the pants, or let the model wear it. Just straight up dismissed. Why? Her excuse was something along the lines of; "Because the feminine form is the most powerful thing we have and pockets diminish that. If a woman wants to carry things she can buy a handbag".

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

This reads exactly like The Devil wears Prada which was very on the nose. Great film about terrible culture.

It takes guts and perseverance to beat that, but even with lots of it there's still no guarantee.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Wanna bet that the old hag has some stakes in handbags?

Actually, peer pressure from the fashion elite might be enough. They all wanna sell as much bullshit as possible, so of course they'd want you to have clothes in a dozen different color shades with fitting large handbags, small handbags, clutches, shoes, shades...

Yeah, I can see why she'd be allergic to unprofitable convenience.

[–] Quexotic 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Untrue. Girls with pockets are sexy.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because girls with pockets are happy. And happy girls are sexy :-)

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Hence, Asami Sato:

welders pockets

I am taking no arguments of unsexiness, as there are none.

Though for what it’s worth, pockets seem to be in fashion in her world:

Korra

Zhu Li

[–] Quexotic 1 points 1 day ago

I'll allow it!

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[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I, too, eliminate every woman from dating consideration the moment I see pockets. That extra 1/8th inch of feminine form is everything.

/s

[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The discrepancy between the size of pockets in men's and women's pants is nuts. I can comfortably fit an entire iPad Mini in my pants pockets, while my gf is lucky to fit her phone in her's.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Why doesn't she buy men's pants with the correct measurements for her needs? Unlike the arbitrary garbage system for women, us guys just have inch measurements of the important stuff.

[–] GingerGoodness@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The inch measurements for men don't account for wider hips/bum so it takes a bit of trial and error to figure out what size to buy. Whenever I buy men's trousers I have to buy them 4 or 6 inches bigger than my own waist and then wear a belt to cinch the excess in. It's kind of a hassle and it's definitely not considered a put-together look by most women so the appeal is limited to the less fashion conscious of us.

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[–] OkeyEffect@feddit.org 27 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Women usually have smaller waists compared to the width of their hips than men, so the ratio would be off, and she would likely end up with pants that might fit the width of her hips/butt, but are way too loose in the waist area.

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[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago

On me, men's trousers come up to my armpits and have a big flappy area around the crotch, neither of which are appealing.

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[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My friend once snuck an entire subway footlong into a movie theater by just putting it in his pocket

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

iPad Mini ... phone

There's a size difference?

[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the iPad Mini is roughly twice as wide as your average phone.

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[–] night_petal@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mostly wear dresses as I find them to be the most comfortable option, and I've only bought them with pockets for a long time now. No pockets? No sale.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Dress pockets, if done well, are god tier

[–] miked@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I work in a place that requires everyone entering to pull out their pockets for a few years.

Still amazed at the tiny front pockets most women have. Recently I've been seeing pants where the front pocket is completely fake.

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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (15 children)

What if I told you that women's clothing is form-fitting with small pockets because that's what is popular among women?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, right? I thought this was settled at least five years ago. Preface: I get we're not in a ~~frictionless vacuum~~ free market with perfectly rational agents acting on perfect information. Auto makers in the US, for example, induce demand for massive fuck-off pickup trucks – which exploit regulatory loopholes and are worse than standard cars for most people – by driving down the supply of alternatives and massively marketing trucks to people who categorically don't need them.

However, pants are an obvious case where you can't have both: you can't have normal-sized pockets (let alone the Felix the Cat-ass ones men can have with cargo pants) and elegant, form-fitting clothing. Demand always exists for big pockets because big pockets are objectively beneficial, but at a population level in a zero-sum game, women prefer form (fitting) over function (bigger pockets). This does leave a minority who actually would prefer and buy the larger pockets, but because this is a minority, it's also the minority of supply, and these women are faced with fewer options. Because the supply of pants is highly elastic, the amount of pants with good pockets is probably close to its actual demand – even accounting for imperfect information where some women may truly want but just not know how to buy them. It's also true that demand for bigger pants would go up if purses weren't so normalized among women, but they are, and there's not a strong force acting to reverse that.

On a personal note: I don't get what the big deal is (I mean I do, but not from what I'd see myself wearing); the women I've known who wear looser pants with baggier pockets to me have usually looked better.

[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'll give you points for the elegant part because formal dresses are hard to add pockets to. But my bootie is currently sitting in a pair of form fitting flare jeans with functional sized pockets. There are pockets added to workout leggings to at least carry phone, ID, and keys in. I also have some cute skirts and dresses with functional sized pockets. I don’t want cargo pants size pockets, but at least enough to hold my ID and some cash without fear of losing them.

These things do exist, they are just hard to find because companies don’t manufacture them. Most women I know would buy pants with functional sized pockets even if they didn’t use them and pretty much every woman I know has complained about our barely able to hold a chapstick sized pockets.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Women never got the option to buy pants with pockets. It was decided for us and now it’s intentional to prop up the purse industry, one of the most profitable items in fashion.

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[–] Catpuccino@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I'll drop this link to a video that goes over pocket fashion history but from what I know of it the option of large pockets largely never existed for women in a meaningful way. By the time we as a society moved away from men using under garment bags we never gave women the same option.

But yes, currently it's popular. There is pressure to wear form fitting clothing. There is pressure to have a bag to accomodate the lack of pockets. This will continue a perpetual demand for small/false pockets.

https://youtu.be/jA_elEw-Oog

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I know a few women who would rather have Pokémon. Amirite, chat? /s

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[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

I never see anyone mention this but, from my experience at least, pockets in women's clothing tends to be uncomfortable for laying on one's side.

I like to have the option of having or not having pockets, like with most legging brands.

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