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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Are we counting the world's industry into "the world's richest 10%"? Because, last I checked, random dudes in mom-and-pop shops also ordered cheap items from China or India.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Indigenous people protecting the environment from what?

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[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

It's not wrong to say that population is the driving problem. Do you think indigenous people ever coexisted with their ecosystem at the population density we're at now?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

What are the population densities and technology levels among these magical indigenous peoples? This is the Magical Negro trope all over again.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 4 points 3 days ago

Saying stuff like humans are the virus isn't fascism it's just simply stupid/edgy. Sure you could say someone like that is a useful idiot to fascists but that's like saying everyone who drinks gasoline from the cars parked on the street is furthering the agenda of some solar panel manufacturing company. Both are inconsequential enough for me not to give a shit.

[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 4 points 3 days ago

That's so racist

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 3 days ago

Carbon emissions are not the only problem. I really doubt the world's reaches 10% also produce half of the sewage and plastic or that most of the land is turned into farms to feed them. It's nice that indigenous people living in forest don't destroy it but you can't have 8 billion people living in forests. Cities and highways are not part of the ecosystem.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are no evil viruses. Some are just detrimental to us.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Good and evil are subjective - the idea behind "humans are a virus" is an implied negativity. Thus the counterexample mapping to a good virus ;)

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The planetary zero-impact carrying capacity for humanity is somewhere between 500 million and 2 billion, depending if we want (respectively) a first-world meat-inclusive diet or a fully vegan diet.

Carbon emissions aside, we are indeed a plague upon the planet. Thanks to high tech, we have massively blown past our carrying capacity, and risk lowering the non-high-tech-enabled carrying capacity down into the mere tens of millions or even less. Which bodes very badly if we experience a severe civilizational collapse in the next 10-30 years (as is becoming increasingly likely) that makes building and maintaining high tech impossible.

Edit: this meme is also very problematic. A “collapsing environment” has CO2 production as only a very tiny contribution. It also involves soil degradation, overfarming, overfishing, overharvesting of forests, animals driven to extinction, and all sorts of effects that are DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to our insanely high population and has almost no extra effect from “the wealthy”.

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[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When you buy a house you're "one of the world's richest". The "world's richest" aren't just millionaires and billionaires. They include the middle classes.

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