AOC says ICE has become an “anti-civilian, paramilitary” org after an agent murdered a queer woman : boycottus

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Wild to see this fervor after a white woman was killed, this is like the fourth or fifth time ICE has murdered someone in a year but now our "worst fears have been realized." They certainly weren't an anti-civilian paramilitary when they were fucking raiding American ghettos with helicopters and kidnapping people in unmarked vans off the streets. We don't care about that, obviously, but now they've crossed a line!

This country fucking sucks.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 33 points 2 months ago

If that's what it takes then I'll take it.

[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

His policies have killed millions. Stories of white women being brutalized have always pulled at Americans heart strings. We better learn to use it to our advantage, for the sake of everyone.

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

We better learn to use it to our advantage

While you're still talking about learning, they've already mastered it. Your brutalized white woman is a terrorist in their narrative and people are already buying that.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stories of white women being brutalized have always pulled at Americans heart strings.

If decades of school kids getting shot in their schools doesn't motivate Americans to take action, I'm not hopeful that this will either.

I really want my cynicism to be proven wrong, but after watching the Americans for over 50 years, I don't expect it will be.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

this is like the fourth or fifth time ICE has murdered See, I didn't even know about this and I like to think I follow US news quite closely. I must have missed it or my brain shorted out because of the constant flood of awful news coming out of that country.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

More that 30 people have died in concentration camps as well.

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Camel, straw, back. If this becomes the tipping point so be it

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[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

This country fucking sucks.

Hear fucking hear.

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[+] Kalon@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 56 points 2 months ago

I’m not sure there’s actually evidence that the mother of a six year old whose father died two years ago is in fact queer.

Her wife might dispute that.

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's probably due to the reports talking about either her "partner" or her "wife".

Not erasing part of someone's identity is not confining them to extra boxes.

Also, queer encompasses bisexual and pansexual, so the fact that she had a child and was married to a man is irrelevant.

[–] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yup. Friend of mine finally cut loose her deadweight husband after 2 kids. She started dating an amazing woman and I've never seen her more happy. Luckily she also got custody, and her kids are awesome human beings.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

Having kids does not mean you're not queer.

There are straight and bi queer people.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is exactly like hitlers SA. The Gestapo is coming if we let it

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You already let it. It's already here.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 points 2 months ago

Obama used the fuck out of ICE too. Pepperiidge Farms remembers.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They‘re the brownshirts given a badge.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Hard to have a Night of the Long Knives without them and the administration does enjoy that playbook.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 2 months ago

ICE and the Heritage Foundation are both government sanctioned domestic terrorist organizations.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They always have been. No need for them to exist, period. I prefer open borders over THIS.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

eyup. I understood having to control a border but if the payment to do it is this. Then let it go be whatever it will be.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

I never had to have a passport to visit Canada growing up. Used to cross the Rio Grande with tour groups in Big bend National Park, no border patrol anywhere.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

The whole DHS has been that since its inception.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

? Where is it coming from that she was queer and what has that to do with anything?

It doesn't matter if she is queer or not, it's completely irrelevant.

If she had been an African American man, or an Asian Transgender woman, it would, should, not have mastered at all, it is just as tragic and it's still murder

Having said that, so yeah, you have a paramilitary organization murdering people in the US. Again, the wording is weird, "anti civilian" is a really weird synonym for murderers, but putting that aside.... What are you going to do about it?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you kidding? If an African American person gets murdered by cops on video, we get nationwide protests and a months-long focus on racial reckoning.

But a white queer person gets murdered by cops on video, and suddenly her queerness doesn't matter and is irrelevant? Murder is murder?

In other words, you're saying "all lives matter" as opposed to "queer lives matter"?

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (8 children)

In that case, I think it's valid to ask if her being queer influenced the ~~sturmabteilung~~ ICE officer's decision to kill her. There is absolutely discrimination and increased violence from authorities against queer people due to them being queer, but I'm not sure if this is a matter of using disproportionate force against her due to her sexual orientation or if it's just a matter of ICE being violent in general.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably the multiple reports describing her wife's reaction to the shooting?

I don't understand why people are getting upset over this particular detail, but it's concerning.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ice has always been anti-immigration paramilitary force for both parties, they hire the exact people that usually hate immigrants in general, otherwise no normal citizens are going to do it, it just that DRUMPF lowered the bar so much that anyone can join.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Queer woman?"

First I've heard that, where did that come from? I've also heard "devout Christian," but that seems to come and go. Probably not a lot of "queer devout Christians" out there.

I'd like to know who she actually was. Her second husband died, so she doesn't seem to be gay, but what to do I know?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All this bullshit is irrelevant. They shot one of us. In cold blood. Just for being there when they were carrying out their illegal operations. We are all next.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, we have to humanize her, that's what makes the normally apathetic wake up. They want to define her as a monster, and dehumanize her, so they can rationalize and excuse murdering her.

We have to remind everybody, especially MAGAs, that she was exactly like them, a mom of 3, a Christian, a widow, etc. When people see that she isn't the monster they claim, they start to realize who the real monsters are.

We have seen over and over that Conservatives will shift their opinion when it hits their own life. Dick Cheney, as conservative as any Fascist Nazi, was extremely gay-friendly because he had a gay daughter whom he loved. He could bomb the shit out of foreign brown people because they aren't real to hom, but he supported gay rights, because gay people were real to him.

When we get MAGAs to see others as fellow humans, it makes a difference to many. Not all, many MAGAs are unsalvageable psychopaths, but some will respond to this. We have to keep whittling away at their approval ratings, and humanizing their victims is an enormous help.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They want to define her as a monster, and dehumanize her, so they can rationalize and excuse murdering her.

Right... Unfortunately that's why they're calling her queer 😬

I get what you're saying, but that's exactly the opposite of what the media is doing. They are telling the public she wasn't like them. That she wasn't Christian, she was a liberal rioter with three children by two men and her lesbian lover beside her in the car when she was out maliciously running over law enforcement in her SUV. Bootlicking Maga chuds with hot jelly in their skulls don't need much to know a person was evil and deserved to be put down, and so for headlines like this the writers know exactly what they're doing; boiling this woman's entire life into one word that shows she's Not Like Us^TM

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

So... let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly...

You're saying the media outlet called "lgbtq nation" described this woman as queer in order to dehumanize her and show people she isn't like them?

Kinda strange... Who do you think reads lgbtq nation?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let’s put a dead queer woman back in the closet, because people that already hate her might still hate her. Oh boy, I can feel the acceptance, it’s totally different from all the homophobia I grew up with!

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not wanting someone reduced down to just their sexuality is not shoving them back in the closet and I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm prejudiced for calling it out.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You yourself are advocating for her sexuality not being mentioned at all! If you were trying to advocate for something else here, it absolutely doesn’t come across.

Queer people are constantly erased in death, by prejudiced family and media. Reconsider supporting or saying anything resembling that, such as by going ‘oh no why did the headline of a queer news site have to mention she was queer??’

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[–] tmyakal 6 points 2 months ago

Probably not a lot of “queer devout Christians” out there.

Many, many more than you'd think. Plenty of denominations have no problem with queer people. Even the Catholic church has walked back a lot of their anti-queer messaging in the last decade.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok. So do something about it then. Enough empty threats.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

She has to fight two parties to accomplish anything.

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[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

man, if on she had seen this coming and said something about how the dnc was fucking americans out of a fair election. but it was all soooo unpredictable... /s

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