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What do we call the career bureaucrats who remained working in Nazi Germany? (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Nina spitting truths as always. She's on fire recently, so follow her if you're not doing so already.

To be clear; everyone working in my government, particularly after today, is a Nazi, or someone who works for Nazis. Do you know what we call people who worked for the Nazis, in the Nazi government? Yes, that is correct, Nazis.

So Machado is certainly not gonna feel lonely on the list of people on my TV who are definitely Nazis.

Oh, was that too harsh? Are you feeling bad for the good career civil servants, working for the literal fucking Nazis, who I have just impuned? Cool, let's refer back to that part where I said I was surrounded by people who openly recognize that this is fascism, and ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY refuse to accept what that actually means.

We call people, who worked for the Nazi Party, in the Nazi government, Nazis. Nobody says "the Nazi government and the career civil servants who hated them but stayed."

"They'll just find someone else."

Then let them. "I took the job at the concentration camp because I was sure Hitler would find someone else" was not a good defense in court last time, and it won't be this time either.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

Some people on this site are so divorced from reality it's scary. Nuance? Never heard of her.

And I'm sure that anyone potentially replying to my comment will spew some bs like "if you work for a 'nazi' in any way, you're a nazi" and to those people I say that it is clear you have lived your entire life without having had to deal with real life dilemmas and compromises. Must be nice to feel entitled to dictate who gets to provide for their family and who have to quit or they are deemed a nazi by you. What a humble, sane and intelligent mindset to have.

Demanding people in an unstable country to quit their job is the extremist leftie version of "just stop being poor".

Some people don't have the luxury to quit, especially if they have a home and a family to feed and bills to pay, which is the case for most people.

[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think that what you're realizing is that lots of the Nazis in Germany were likely we'll meaning people stuck in a bad situation who kept coming to work because they needed to provide for their families and pay bills and maintain their homes.

And do you know how history refers to those people?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (25 children)

History refers to them as Germans. I'm not playing that game with you. My country share a border with Germany. We know the history very well an we know the hard work the Germans put in after the war was over, as well as the hard work many of them put in to oppose the system while they were under Hitler.

It is the same with everyday Russians who have no control over what their leader is doing to their neighbors.

And now, Americans, stuck in a system that has been stolen by a skinwalker.

I don't want people to starve and go homeless just because some terminally online, holier than thou people online think that opposing a regime is as easy as to just quit your job.

[–] araneae@beehaw.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Been reading this thread interested as someone whose loved one works for municipal IT. On that basis I sympathize with your perspective, but I have to take issue with this statement:

And now, Americans, stuck in a system that has been stolen by a skinwalker.

I wouldn't say so. This is the system that we have. The executive office has been erasing checks and balances since WWII. The Heritage Foundation and other SIGs have been pushing white supremacy for 200 years. ICE was created by Bush Jr. after after a mob riot in Florida disrupted a recount that could have given the presidency to Al Gore. Generously this is when we can say our democracy first proved flawed, but the rationalizations and mechanisms go back to our founding. We haven't been hijacked, we are the monster and have been for some time.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That is fair. I have never thought America was a perfect country before trump and have always had massive issues with how things have been run and the - in my opinion - bad values that it has been nurturing. However, I did see a will to move in a better direction where the country was starting to focus more on its people's welfare and trump has more than undone that progress and been a pathetic counter reaction to those positive changes.

It was never a perfect country but this development is kinda the worst version of the worst initiatives the country has made in recent decades.

For what it's worth I do feel a lot of sympathy for the American people who are stuck in this nightmare. I am the absolute angriest at the American nation I have ever been in my life and that's why I have to hold on to the fact that a pretty significant number of Americans are not okay with the direction their nation is going in.

I hope it makes sense to you. I just imagine that a lot of Americans currently feels more alienated by their own nation's conduct than usual. I sure would even if many of the things going on are pretty much business as usual, but being expressed by a monkey who's been given a fully loaded machine-gun.

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[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

From the sidebar: "Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works."

What's the funny part?

[–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A good friend of mine is quitting their (once) dream fed job, counting down the remainder until their last day. They work for the government to enforce engineering safety standards, but can no longer stomach the gutting of safety regulations that their department manages. Upon raising ethical concerns, they got dragged into a room with lawyers who relayed a parable about ethics. The lesson was: Be "a good soldier" and ignore safety regulations if you're told to do so.

I go to work everyday and feel like a mail clerk in the Death Star

- My friend to me

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[–] klay1@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (18 children)

What if i stayed, acting like i worked but not really doing anything? Blocking a Nazis spot, taking my salary out of their budget. Maybe even sabotaging. Lets all do that, collectively. Covering eachother by telling how good a job we are doing and so on...

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Simple Sabotage Field Manual actually has a lot of recommendations for this. Here's a part of it, just to give you an idea (in a spoiler block because it's loooooong)

Excerpt

(1) Make mistakes in quantities of material when you are copying orders. Confuse similar names. Use wrong addresses.

(2) Prolong correspondence with government bureaus.

(3) Misfile essential documents.

(4) In making carbon copies, make one too few, so that an extra copying job will have to be done.

(5) Tell important callers the boss is busy or talking on another telephone.

(6) Hold up mail until the next collection.

(7) Spread disturbing rumors that sound like inside dope.

(d) Employees

(1) Work slowly. Think out ways to increase the number of movements necessary on your job: use a light hammer instead of a heavy one, try to make a small wrench do when a big one is necessary, use little force where considerable force is needed, and so on.

(2) Contrive as many interruptions to your work as you can: when changing the material on which you are working, as you would on a lathe or punch, take needless time to do it. If you are cutting, shaping or doing other measured work, measure dimensions twice as often as you need to. When you go to the lavatory, spend a longer time there than is necessary. Forget tools so that you will have to go back after them.

(3) Even if you understand the language, pretend not to understand instructions in a foreign tongue.

(4) Pretend that instructions are hard to understand, and ask to have them repeated more than once. Or pretend that you are particularly anxious to do your work, and pester the foreman with unnecessary questions.

(5) Do your work poorly and blame it on bad tools, machinery, or equipment. Complain that these things are preventing you from doing your job right.

(6) Never pass on your skill and experience to a new or less skillful worker. “(7) Snarl up administration in every possible way. Fill out forms illegibly so that they will have to be done over; make mistakes or omit requested information in forms.

(8) If possible, join or help organize a group for presenting employee problems to the management. See that the procedures adopted are as inconvenient as possible for the management, involving the presence of a large number of employees at each presentation, entailing more than one meeting for each grievance, bringing up problems which are largely imaginary, and so on.

(9) Misroute materials.

(10) Mix good parts with unusable scrap and rejected parts.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

You're going to get executed after the trials anyways. Didn't you read OP?

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 62 points 4 days ago (22 children)

We call people, who worked for the Nazi Party, in the Nazi government, Nazis.

I mean, do we? I'm don't think I'm convinced that every public school teacher in Germany from 1933 to 1945 was a Nazi.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Yeah, I'm not really sold on the 'entire government' thing. Some chemist testing soil samples for the Department of Agriculture isn't part of the problem - that guy's working for us.

ICE? 100% Nazis. There is no justifiable role in that organization. But we can (and should) purge that shit without crippling services that are actually benevolent.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 4 days ago (50 children)

"everyone working in my government"

Jesus Fucking Christ... I swear, some people read "kill the liberal inside your head" and heard "turn into a rambling, insufferable edgelord that has completely lost touch with reality."

Do you even have the remotest idea how thoroughly fucked you (yes you, specifically - and specifically everybody around you) would be if every public worker in your country suddenly decided to up and leave their government job to fulfill your edgelord fantasy moral purity test?

We're talking everybody - from the street sweepers, to sanitation workers, to nurses and health inspectors. Just how far do you think you're going to get?

Even Joseph Fucking Stalin didn't buy into this bullshit narrative of yours - neither did the hundreds of thousands of troops and resistance fighters who marched into Germany (including anarchist ones) and saw every kind of Nazi depravity with their own damn eyes.

But you, edgelord supremo, know better than them, right?

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does this mean that if a communist party was suddenly running the government then all state employees would suddenly flip from being nazis to communists?

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

The term for this is "Little Eichmanns".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Eichmanns

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is a bad take, capitalist and the Nazis running the government don't give two shits if a couple people quit to clear their conscience. If your in a productive part of the government, healthcare, sanitation, infrastructure etc. that isn't directly contributing to the camps then don't quit, organize. Start agitating to create a union, if there already is one, agitate within it, maybe you'll get fired anyway but if you've integrated yourself into the workplace more by fighting for a union then your fellow workers will have more sympathy, be more angry at the boss who is trying to suppress speech and be more likely to follow you and withhold their labor then if you just yelled "Fuck ICE" as you quit.

Change won't come from individual uncoordinated silent acts of conscience, it comes through building solidarity with your fellow workers and fighting together.

This is all if you work in a part of the government that actually helps people, if you are working in ICE, defense contractors, etc. then yeah quit your job.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago (13 children)

My philosophy allows for distinction between death squads and meter maids.

The guy who scrubbed Hitler's toilet was not culpable in the same manner as the asshole who sat on it.

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