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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 165 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How dare users have control of their own hardware!

[–] TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

Silly consumer, you don’t own anything! You’ll take your license and follow these terms.

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

tbf, most Consoles sold at a Loss, so Consoles would have to become more expensive if that wasn't the case.

Just join the PC Masterrace

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'd rather pay more money for a freer system but that option isn't offered. Either I'm too niche or locking users down is more valuable than raw sales profit (or both).

I've not bought a console since they got internet and needed updates. Been Windows-free for a while too.

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

I’ve not bought a console since they got internet and needed updates. Been Windows-free for a while too.

One of us! One of us!

You have to start with that, I was about to preach about PCMR and Linux!

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The raised the price after market to make more money

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Not really anymore, these days consoles are sold at a profit

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If Cory Doctorow's talk on Post US tech is accurate I suspect users may be able to take quite a bit of control back from corpos soon enough.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Accurate? Certainly. Politically Feasible? That's another story.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if PS5 emulation would be less troublesome than PS3 due to it being closer to the regular PC iirc.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm not particularly deep into the emulation scene or even a dev with actual knowledge. But from what i've read over the years X86 doesnt have to be a beneficial because the instruction set is ridiculously big and complex. While the chips are based off of PC hardware there still is a lot of custom fuckery going on which isnt publicly documented.

Prominent example is to look at the state of OG XBOX emulation vs PS2. Based on a Pentium 3 and some semi custom Nvidia GPU of that time and you would expect it to be perfectly emulateable. But even after almost 25 years xbox emulation is still in a rough spot. While PS2 emulation with its weird custom architecture thrives.

Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.

With that said PS4 emulation is already pretty mature considering how young the shad4 project is. Even though its also x86, but they're using an approach more like WINE i think(!).

PS5 has almost no exclusives though. Like GT7, Astrobot aaand uh? I dont see put effort into it too soon.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When I was in grad school, I had to take an Intel assembler class, and the manual for their x86 instructions was over 1000 pages. It's insane.

[–] tauonite@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

4 volumes, 5000 pages now. Also distributed in a much more manageable 10 volumes if you so wish.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure if I should feel better that I only had to deal with 1000 pages, or worse about how long ago I went to grad school.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

There has been attempts to do an emulation layer for Xbox One games on Windows with XWine1.

Will be interesting.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.

That. Plenty of very good games were made for PS2.

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

PS5 emulation is a long ways off, because you generally need 2X faster processor to emulate any console processor.

PS5 has the same x86-64 CPU architecture as PC, but you still need 2X faster graphics card to emulate those fancy raytracing units.

[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Not necessarily, you can do it with equivalent hardware power if you have a good translation layer like proton

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 12 points 2 months ago

We also only just recently got a capable PS4 emulator. I'd imagine it'll be a decade or two before the PS5 can be emulated in any sense

[–] Hond@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dont think you can put a general number on that. But even if you do 2x is way to slow. Try maybe atleast 5-10x.

You can emulate a SNES so accuratly that you need atleast 2,4ghz to run the emulator at all.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago

Tbh, modern consoles are less about hardware level accuracy anyway.

More the gist of what it's trying to draw and then translating that to modern GPU hardware. Where things like the SNES or Amiga had a lot of weird timing things going on.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Would there still be a 2x multiplier? PS3 was weird, but does it translate to future Sony systems too?

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It's hard to say until we have a working emulator. You don't need CPU instructions translation, so it should not be 20X as the case with NES, however even with the same CPU architecture it takes 1.0 GHz host CPU to emulate 66 MHz machine, so it's actually 15x multiplier.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Blood born remastered PC port 2027?

[–] ksh@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago
[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

One can wish

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I wonder if now is the time to get a PS5, under the assumption that ones produced in the future will have a different root key and thus be non-exploitable. I have a Xbox now but that platform is dead in the water. And Steam Machines will be hideously expensive due to insane hardware prices.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's a bit early to assume traditional consoles won't be effected by hardware prices.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Another potential reason to buy a PS5 now, I guess?

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with security? Do they expect evil maid attacks on the PS5 people carry around to do their online banking on?

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

That's a particularly narrow view of what security means.

https://www.playstation.com/en-ca/accessories/#camerasremotes

Peripherals can be used for surveillance, gaining bank account details that way, or to dox content creators, kids, etc.

This is assuming this leak can pivot into malware for userspace in the console, I haven't read yet.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone else get a certificate warning when visiting this site?

[–] q5VtXnYt 2 points 2 months ago

I did not get a warning

[–] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Is this a good moment to buy a cd reader for ps5 slim?

[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is probably going to encourage Sony to go the Apple route and start making their own silicon so they have full control.

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That wouldn't solve the problem