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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What exactly do you think any ownership is if not the threat of social pressure and government violence enforcing property rights?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The US is just a NFT scam with an army is not the worst summary.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is in zero ways unique to the US. Also "an "en-ef-tee""

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

“a nifty”

[–] Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Time for my favorite Rousseau quote baby:

The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying "This is mine", and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: "Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody!"

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 7 points 4 days ago

Damn that's pretty good

[–] slappyfuck@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

I’ve been saying for ages that we all belong to the earth equally. We need a new system of acknowledging this legally.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 4 days ago (1 children)

At least physical land is an inherently non-fungible thing, while NFTs are only a non-fungible piece of code people claim ties to something else of value. The real original NFTs are intellectual property, as they're just the government saying you can't copy things that are totally possible to copy.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

At least physical land is an inherently non-fungible thing, while NFTs are only a non-fungible piece of code people claim ties to something else of value.

Well its really the land "deed" you own, which is entirely fungible (though managed as a non-fungible item through state enforced violence).

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

The NFT is a non-fungible paper that says "you own this thing everyone can use", and as soon as you make that thing private, the NFT instantly loses its value.

A land deed is a "non-fungible" paper that says "you own this thing everyone can use", and as soon as you make that thing private, the deed massively appreciates in value.

[–] lunardroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

Well, yes, land is managed through state enforced violence but also the laws of physics. There's only so much that can fit on an area of land. If I build a house that takes up the full extent of the property, then nobody else can use the land for, say, a parking lot without me removing my house first. Every bit of land used/bought is a reduction in the amount of land left to buy. But a JPG can have unlimited copies made of it, providing unlimited storage. If I make a copy of a NFT image, I don't deprive the owner of the image. If I buy a piece of land and use it, I'm kind of depriving others from use of that land.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 points 4 days ago

The violence is optional and it also need not be the state itself supplying the violence, depending on the jurisdiction.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The American mind can't comprehend the freedom to roam.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 20 points 4 days ago

They'd rather shoot people for "trespassing" in the land of the free.

[–] J92@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Manifest destiny! But not if somebody is already there. No wait, not like that. What do they look like?

[–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wish I had the freedom to roam into area 51

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

What the Fiat

[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Many people would suggest that walking on someone else's land is a bad move. While you can walk on it, the fact that human history is full of blood feuds and killings sparked by trespassing suggests it's not that simple.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

The year is 3026. You'd better think twice before downloading that monkey JPEG.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Land is useful tho

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not quite. I believe the historical consensus is that if you can defend it, you own it.

[–] azolus@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

Last time I checked the historical consensus was "they need the state to enforce property rights bc having their own militias to defend their property isn't feasible"

yup. Without a body willing to commit violence to uphold ownership there is no ownership.

[–] Bleys@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If someone steals a physical land deed, there are relatively simple-to-understand methods of recourse for the original owner which will fix the issue.

If someone steals your NFT, then there’s virtually no chance of just identifying the culprit. And even if you could somehow find them, if they don’t live in the same jurisdiction as you then you’re still never getting it back.

Also you can’t right-click copy and paste land.

[–] javasux@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just because something is backed by institutions, that doesn't magically make it real.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

See also: Imaginary Property

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

NFT images are a joke because they're unenforceable. Land ownership is the oldest enforceable law on earth, since the moment mobile creatures started returning to a spot to rest and defending it.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah whether or not the existing power structures around it are just humans are very much "nesting" animals.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

(Not arguing against your central point)

Personal property is even older: "possession is 9/10ths of the law." Our ancestors would carry around small tools for millions of years before we started making permanent homes.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 points 3 days ago

I don't think thats older than the original creatures on the ocean floor establishing territory.

"owning land" historically was mostly about defending the peasants that lived on that land from external violence threats, for the exchange of natural products (mostly food)

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 3 points 4 days ago

Property is theft, property is liberty, property is impossible

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

this one is sooo good, i downloaded. the greatest honor i can hand out.....

thanks for sharing <3

[–] Shamber@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

Is this supposed to sound smart or something? If yes thenI guess I missed it