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In a sane world, this would be articles of impeachment met with unanimous shouts from the rest of the government. In a sane world, the people wouldn't have forgotten how batshit insane his first presidency was. In a sane world, he wouldn't have gotten any further than "grab em by the pussy." Fuck, in a sane world, Trump would have died years ago from a stroke and/or heart disease from a combination of the McDonald's he constantly eats and the syphilis he undoubtedly has and the best legacy he'd have left behind is "You're fired." That is, of course, until we found out just how involved he was with Epstein and any scant trace of him or his celebrity was wiped off the face of the earth in disgust.
We don't live in a sane world.
In a sane world, Trump would have lost the 2016 Republican primary from prison.
Man, thank God we have the electoral college to save us from those smart ass city folks.
Yeah, I have a really horrible feeling that WW3 is going to start soon. This is why it's bad to have such an insanely huge military. Not only does it deprive your own people of hundreds of billions in social services, it provides a piece of absolute shit like trump the ability to destroy global stability whenever they want.
We all fucking tried telling conservatives and third party voters for over a decade now that this was a life or death situation, to oppose trump at all costs. Every goddamned day we are proven more right than we ever knew. America is over at this point regardless, but even worse we may take down millions or billions of humans in the process. Never been a scarier time to be aware of world politics.
I am of the honest opinion that whatever history considers the "first act" of WW3 has already occurred, whether it be boat bombings, leader abductions, or something else I don't even know about.
Future historian: "Actually, it was the 'covfefe' tweet."
Previous "first acts" of world wars quickly led to a cascade of treaties being acted upon and declarations of war being announced. I think your opinion is unfounded in historical context. Not to say that we shouldn't be alarmed or that we're hurtling towards a global armed conflict if drastic change doesn't occur, but I think its alarmist to claim its already started.
“Everybody wants us to have a bigger presence in Greenland to combat the Russian/Chinese Arctic influence,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said.
If only we had some kind of alliance with Greenland/Denmark and perhaps other countries in the North Atlantic. Maybe we could, like, set up a military base in another country to protect those mutual interests? I know it sounds crazy because we don't do any of that currently, but maybe that would be a better option.
But how would you steal all the wealth from Greenland for your corrupt corporate overlords/your insider trading?
Who, me? Oh, I wouldn't. That's probably why I'm not qualified to be POTUS.
Yes in the North Atlantic. It’s like we could have some kind of Treaty. Maybe we could form some kind of Organization. Maybe someone could make Trump think he came up with this idea all by himself. FIFA could give him a trophy for it.
Remember when the president had to go to Congress and ask them for a declaration of war rather than it being Congress taking action to stop the president from declaring unilateral war by himself? You know, like after Pearl Harbor. Good times.
He already isn't supposed to be able to do this without Congressional approval. But if he does it will be without consequences regardless.
Yeah I don’t get it, they are trying to stop him with laws after he ignored laws and there was no consequences.
How about you apply some of the existing laws and do those consequences
And like that, the world forgot he was a pedophile.
No one forgot.
The problem is that this is technically a bigger issue as far as governments are concerned.
Exactly, it's not like him raping children isn't an issue, but him trying to start ww3 is just way worse, and actually happening right now.
Grab'em by the oil/Greenland/rare earth minerals.
When you have 11 carriers, they let you do it.
He's still acting like a pedophile.
The fact that he's a pedophile should be enough for all the fat lazy Americans to get him out of office. The fact that he is murdering people all over the world on your behalf is actually more important to the rest of the world.
Trump is no business man but he is a genius at deflecting. It seems Epstein file related comments are almost non-existent lately. The files haven't been released as ordered by law, and the deadline to release them has been passed. Crickets...
How about another one that bans him from kidnapping foreign and domestic people without the agreement of Congress and put a heavy toll on it if violated like you get to not be president anymore and go to jail until anyone you jailed is free. You stay in jail if its not possible to free for example a person who might have accidentally died.
We already have laws to stop that, he just doesn't care
Well, he doesn't care because nobody else does apparently.
Give conservatives power and the next thing you know we're submitting bills to prevent the conservative president from invading ally nations.
The fact that the Republican party will still exist after this is a testament to how sad this nation has become.
You’re living through a grand moment. We don’t know how this story will be told, but probably as the fall of an imperialist empire led by a population of spectacle dazzled individuals who believe in the authority of concepts like The Market. A society too obsessed with their own freedom from to actually obtain any freedom to. A society with such little humility, American Exceptionalism can be seen touted as the cultural norm despite clear lack of substantive exceptionalism (mind having the most war ships). When all of this becomes immediately obvious to the general public, you might say we’re in an age of post-enlightenment. I wonder what we’ll find on the other side of that evolution.
Lindsey Graham should do the world a favor and end his own miserable, self-loathing life
Imagine how much better the world would be if people like him could just admit they're a gay man.
“Everybody wants us to have a bigger presence in Greenland to combat the Russian/Chinese Arctic influence,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said.
For the kids in the audience, Lady G ran for President in 2015 (before trump rode the escalator to hell) and for his campaign announcement speech he basically filled a good half hour with flag-waving demands to attack Iran immediately. Like, that was the most important issue of his campaign. Which- Iran was not especially in the news for anything at the time, even.
Sort of like when the Sandwich Artist comes out from behind the counter to talk about the weather and then goes on a thirty minute rant about the little people living in his teeth.
A.k.a. Graham is a complete fucking tool who should never be acknowledged, much less quoted.
Dumbest thing I’ve heard of. Resolution to keep the idiot from doing something he’s not allowed to do anyway. Like making a law to make crime illegal.
Let's make a rule to control the guy known for not following any rules!
Does something like this even make sense? He didn’t have the right to invade Venezuela, but he did anyway. What a bill going to do to stop him?
It gets votes on record on who thinks it's okay if Trump wants to invade Greenland.
This feels like one of those American things that takes forever, is ineffective, and ultimately just ignored by Trump.
Jesus Christ our government is so fucking stupid. The headline on this article gave me an instant migraine 🙄 what a country
I wouldn't put much past the current American administration. I haven't been able to shake this impression that we might really be looking a the telegraphing of an invasion. From what we know and have seen, the administration is very much itching to apply the fullest extent of its powers. It's defined by unprecedented and extraordinary use of extralegal action and complete disregard for how it might be seen by the world at large.
They said for years that Russia wouldn't move on Ukraine, and then green men marched in and took over Crimea. It's no secret how much America is becoming increasingly like Russia in every way. US already has significant military presence in Greenland — a green men play would be really easy. And Greenland also has a surprising number of politicians who openly say that they prefer the security offered by Trump's America over Denmark, even as they declare that they want independence (experts argue that independence might make them even more vulnerable to takeover right now). It's easy to assume that at least some Greenland doors would open up to an American green man advance.
Also, as far as consequences for taking over Greenland, we seem to be primarily looking at a breakup of NATO — something that is also on this US administration's longstanding wish list. Experts don't seem to think it's ultimately likely to result in an actual war so much as make it crystal clear that the old rules no longer apply, and that the US isn't a friend (the Article 5 debate is shaky, especially against the prospect of actually going to war against America, and especially while NATO is also dealing with the Russian war in Ukraine). On paper it kind of reads like a win-win-win situation for the current brazen, imperialist, and isolationist American kleptocracy.
I'd say we at least need to take this stuff seriously.
He won't invade. He will just declare Thule base and an arbitrary amount of land "around it" sovereign territory.
I don't know. Gone are the days of his first term where his cabinet refused illegal instructions. He's old, demented, mainlining russian propaganda meant to encourage self destructive behavior, and surrounded by bloodthirsty sycophants who all want to play caesar. Unfortunately everything from invasion, to what you proposed, to forgetting about it are all on the table
I'm just saying it the laziest, easiest way to create a "fait accompli" without technically attacking a NATO ally. From the point of view of NATO, it then becomes a territorial dispute similar to those between Greece and Turkey, or the Whisky war between Canada and Denmark. It's the easiest way for Rubio to keep him happy without blowing up NATO.
It scares me that people are starting to take this seriously, because that just might embolden those idiots. This is not on the same level as Invading Yet Another Latin American Country. Stop treating it as such.
My apologies to all Latin American countries, I hope you understand what I mean. Hell, the USA couldn't even invade most Latin American countries anymore as it used to do.
If I were the "Boss of all Europe", I'd have nuclear weapons in Greenland/Canada already; you could launch and wreck the USA long before the USA could retaliate against Europe (Greenland/Canada would be "taking one for the team").
Ironically, that's what Trump wants to prevent (security risk and so on).
By "Trump" I mean whomever has inspired our impaired, senile POTUS to take Greenland.
This probably means that the USA is planning moves against Europe/EU/NATO in the future, so it wants lots of ocean between us, as much as possible. This has always been the best defense for the USA, it's allowed us to punch, but not be punched back. So far.
Europe has nuclear weapons closer to the US than Greenland.
Technically, if everything works as if on paper, an attack on Greenland is an attack on Denmark. An attack on Denmark is an attack on France, according to EU articles, which are more tightly binding than NATO ones. And the French have nukes on subs floating under the Atlantic in undisclosed places, and their nuclear doctrine is basically "we use nukes as warning shots".
In practice, just selling all US securities and cash reserves held by Europe would basically cause the US economy to implode overnight, and the US government to have to declare bankruptcy, and stop being able to pay or even feed its soldiers.
The problem is that it would also cause a deep recession in the EU and basically all over the world, so that's why we're playing chicken.
Oh, good.
We've had one mutually assured destruction, but what about second mutually assured destruction?
The “Or Anywhere Else FFS Act”
Hey Ms. Lindsay, we could just help our long time friends and allies of Denmark and Canada while we reinforce Alaska if that's actually a concern. We could gladly just offer the both of them whatever it is we're going to use for defense and trust that as our long time friends and allies, if we quit treating them like shit, they'll let us know if they need help. We already train with them. Both are in fucking NATO, that's part of the point of it.
Fucking shit, we used to have soft power because we did exactly that.