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So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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[–] Natanael 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Getting rid of the Republican party and their major billionaire donors

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Most of these answers here are not viable because the US has leverage in almost every nation on earth.

Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, etc are the exception, hence why they are sanctioned (and constantly suffering problems with every new CIA project) bar China which is locked in a trade war and has a sizable military to back themselves up.

You would realistically require a counter world power that offers an alternative to the US system, which used to be the USSR which no longer exists.

China is poised as the next superpower, but they haven't made any significant moves in that regard because they are wary of the USSR's downfall, and have no intention of engaging the USA in that manner (yet).

Everyone in the UN, despite all their cries, will fall in line when threatened, aside from the aforementioned exceptions.

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.

Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.

[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women's rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.

Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.

TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.

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In the Vietnam war, fragging the officers had a big impact.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

WW3, that's literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.

Africa isn't doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn't going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela's oil then they need the Middle East even less.

Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can't meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn't have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.

Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won't support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.

Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican's have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It's this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

Nothing, since they are all either scared, or part of it.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

SANCTION THE FUCK OUT OF US

Hit us where it hurts. Our wallets. Fuck our economy up (even more).

And if that doesn't work, start forming military alliances and building up your armies as a show of force.

I am here in America and I can tell you there are A LOT of dumbfucks here that can only learn through pain. So make it hurt. America needs to learn a lesson.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

I think losing an aircraft carrier would give the US serious pause. Outside that, no idea. Maybe we finally pull the trigger and nuke someone, and that scares the rest of the world enough to start actively sanctioning us. Maybe not, though.

It does seem like most of Europe, Canada, and East Asia are happy to be in the pocket of US financial interests. Even folks who don't like Trump haven't bothered to break away from JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs.

Nobody wants to risk fucking with the money of the global hegemon. And so long as the US is the wealthiest nation on Earth, what's going to deter them?

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Dude Not the first time US has done this.

[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If we're talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.

Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in... But the new playbook like what we've we've seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word 'genocide' we don't have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that's dodgy.

Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US's pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it's own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.

The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world's nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It'll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.

Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.

But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and money exploited from US citizens. Let's see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.

Or maybe the AI bubble will pop and remove the incentive to kowtow to the interests of American corporations.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What's going to stop it? Short of a new world war, total economic collapse following government and corporate irresponsibility, man-made disasters, and greed in general -- once they get rid of the controls, the checks and balances, and emasculate the agencies like SEC and laws that are supposed to limit corporate irresponsibility and enforce civil rights.

However, Mainland China is highly likely to fill that global power vacuum once and if the US collapses on itself, and where I live I can still feel its heavy-handed influence in terms of voluminous imports of cheap goods, and it'll continue to loom larger over my people even long after I go out in this existence. That's why we have to be careful for what we wish for.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

It'll collapse under the weight of its own incompetent sooner or later.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

The US should've become a socialist/communist country during the Great Depression (like in the althistory story "Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline"). Seriously!

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