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[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 150 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Strong ai slop vibes emanating from the article. It's full of contradictions and listicles. Each section feels divorced from the others, and subsection titles are larger than section titles.

The information density feels way too high for something ai written, but at the very least they must've used an ai to fuck it up afterwards

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I checked the twitter profiles of the two people mentioned, one doesnt talk about it at all and the other says it's not what people think and it won't enable CFW.

AI nonsense.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah agreed especially further down when it's just randomly rehashing old history. It's also mixing up decryption and verification even in the beginning of the article. First they write:

BootROM (Level 0): The CPU runs code burned into it at the factory. This code is immutable (cannot be changed). It uses the ROM Keys to verify the signature of the next loader.

Then just two paragraphs below:

The ROM Keys change everything. With these keys, hackers can decrypt the Level 1 Bootloader.

So which is it? Usually bootloaders in a chain hash the next stage. That hash is compared with the signed hash the stage presents, and the signature on the signed hash is cryptographically verified against the locally stored trusted keys. No encryption or decryption takes place. Maybe this is different for the PS5 but then that would be noteworthy, not something you just assume readers to know.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maybe I am missing something but I think you answers your own question?

ROM is Level 0, it has the burned-in, permanent key. It hashes and verifies the Level 1 bootloader, on disk, signed with the ROM key.

Now that the ROM key is known, anyone can sign a PS5 bootloader; and you can pretty much do whatever you want from there.

It would seem that all existing PS5s just went up in value.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

That was a rhetorical question after I pointed out the inconsistency: The author claimed they keys were for verification and then also said they were used to decrypt.

That's most likely bullshit, and if it isn't they should explain the unusual setup in detail instead of glossing over it.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You know you're crooked when "users can run the software they want on their own hardware" causes the sky to fall.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And EU is pounding Apple to get 3rd party app stores on its platform.

Meanwhile at Sony:

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah, this is a boon for the end user, and a loss for rootkit distributor Sony.

[–] gegil@sopuli.xyz 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If ps5 hack will allow running linux on it, i will run linux on it.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That is already possible, but the hacks to get it actually to run are quite annoying and limited to a few older versions AFAIK.

Hopefully with this you can just boot Linux normally on a PS5 in the nearish future. Would definitely make for a nice Steam Machine.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Would definitely make for a nice Steam Machine.

That would be absolutely brilliant!

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[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 64 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Why is it always game consoles that get these leaks and not like, phone firmware or gpu vbios

[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's just the amount of love for game consoles is much higher than phones, where people are a bit complacent.

I do agree it should happen more often.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago

Also there are SO many phones.

There's only a few ps5s. I'm not sure if they share the same code that's been leaked here but probably.

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Consoles have extremely limited variations, less variables to mess with. A ps5 is a ps5, but a Samsung Galaxy 25 isn't the same as a Samsung Galaxy FE25

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But if Samsung's firmware keys or whatever leaked, wouldn't that apply to all of them? It's not like they reinvent all their infrastructure for each phone.

Actually, I take it back. These things do happen in the mobile world, they're just not released publicly. Celebrite etc just gobble them up

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[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 21 points 1 week ago

As someone else pointed out, there's a shit ton of different phones. In 2012 alone, how many different "Samsung Galaxy ...." did samsung release? Wikipedia lists 6

That's 1 company, with 1 brand name in 1 year. Each with different hardware and as of late those phones have been harder and harder to even open. However, there's a handful of models of "PS5" standard, slim, pro. They are also very easy to open requiring regular tools your average joe is likely to have, in fact sony encourages this in case you want to upgrade your SSD. It's a lot harder to keep a system secure if the user can poke and prod the hardware, i mean the Wii's security was literally beaten by tweezers

[–] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Good news, a new exploit has been recently found that can unlock the boot loader of several older Sony phones, even the Japanese models which were not unlockable until the discovery!

xperable - Xperia ABL fastboot Exploit [CVE-2021-1931]

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Oh Sony is actually cooked now.

I give it a month before unlocked PS5s are everywhere, and maybe six months to an year before a full on PS5 emulator. Brazilians in general LOVE hacked consoles and pirated games, hell the PS2 and Xbox 360 were extremely popular here for that exact reason.

This is literally the Gol D. Roger Execution moment for us.

[–] pory@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sony isn't even cooked, man. Piracy is a non issue to the bottom line. The Switch had this plus fully functional pirate installers in like, month 2 and Nintendo still sold a morbillion copies of TOTK despite all the hackable consoles on the market (and the maturity of emulators)

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 4 points 1 week ago

The GBA had a working emulator before it even came out.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's really not. Literally the same thing happened with the PS3, arguably that was much worse and it didn't cook Sony at all.

[–] pory@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Piracy never ever actually hurts big companies. Game consoles make their entire business on selling "just plug it in and click the prompts and play the game, ezpz" as a lifestyle. It doesn't matter how fully hacked a console is or how easy it is to hack them, the percentage of users that'll mod and pirate is always miniscule.

Look at sales numbers for Pokemon X and Y, which released when the 3DS was ironclad. Compare them to Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, which released when 3DS piracy required a $100 flashcart and an ancient system firmware with no downgrade route. Compare those to Pokémon Sun and Moon, which released when five minutes with an SD card and a magnet would let you pirate the game directly from Nintendo's own fucking server, complete with fully functional online play. Notice a pattern? No you don't, they all sold like hotcakes.

Every first party Nintendo game released after 2016 other than Super Mario Odyssey was available to pirates before legitimate buyers, until the Switch 2 came out. That entire near decade of Nintendo was exclusively releasing games for compromised platforms. Nintendo did pretty well financially during that period, I'd say. Wii piracy was trivial as soon as the Twilight Hack dropped, yet late life Wii games sold gangbusters. And on the Wii, pirates legitimately got a better product because they got to bypass the Wii's dogshit DVD lens and disc load times. R4s and clones and upgrades existed for nearly the entire Nintendo DS lifespan. GBA games were playable on the PC before the console came out in the United States.

[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Time to do the jump from ps2 to ps5 this 2026

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 41 points 1 week ago

I will not post the keys here for legal reasons.

One paragraph later posts a picture of the xit.

[–] markz@suppo.fi 29 points 1 week ago
[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not that I particularly care as the few exclusives on ps5 are all arriving on pc.

But this is gonna be hell on earth for anyone interested in competitive multiplayer games.

And the damage to Sony might be epochal if the exploit is easy enough for anyone to do it.

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Competitive multiplayer games are already cooked on Playstation anyways since a lot of console cheaters use Cronus on PS4s that can't detect it.

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[–] chocrates@piefed.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why? Other than allowing piracy and home brew stuff what does this mean?

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cheating online is gonna be extremely easy since you can just run a cheat program as legitimate software.

That could snowball into people not buying any big competitive game on ps5 anymore.

[–] pory@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Eh. Nintendo's been bumfucked like this for the majority of the Switch lifespan. detecting and banning modded consoles is a cat and mouse game that favors the cat. Piracy favors the mouse, because piracy happens in your home on your hardware. Online play is you trying to play ball in Sony's court.

Softmodded consoles probably won't even be able to play online, let alone cheat online.

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 6 points 1 week ago

Ah ok. In my mind, sony wanted to sell consoles and a console in can hack is more interesting to me than before.

They are basically just computers now, I wasn't getting why it was such a big deal.

[–] Xander707@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

I just want to be able to back up my saves to usb

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

This is really cool, fuck Sony

[–] russjr08@piefed.zip 15 points 1 week ago

Well, someone is certainly not having a Happy New Year heh.

Meanwhile others are absolutely over the moon celebrating 🎉

[–] 73QjabParc34Vebq@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

If the PS5 could be booted to a decent Linux desktop, I'd buy one to play with it. A good OS with a fun form factor.

Otherwise, don't buy consoles.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With open architecture, it should be possible for Linux on a ps5 to be just as good as ps5 software for taking advantage of the hardware.

It's why open hardware is the next hurdle. It's already starting to happen with routers and open drivers but it's far from as good for open cpus etc.

With open hardware, we could start to eliminate security concerns about using American/Chinese/whatever hardware or software as it could all be verified. I think it's partly why Linux is gaining steam. An open background allows anyone to build on what's come before. Proprietary stuff only allows those with access to improve or start from scratch.

Linux is more mature and so building on the past builds new features, where windows can only lock down and try to gain revenue. They know they are losing. I am wondering if this is part of the push for ai as it would be harder to run at home. Not forever though.

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[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

I doubt it but if true I will put Bazzite on mine.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Now we are getting somewhere

[–] Stupendous@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have a PS5 that I rarely turn on. Everything ends up on PC. PC handhelds better than a PS Portal. To phone streaming everything supports. Playing PC games on Android is a thing now. Switch handles party gaming. No replacing Mario party/kart/tennis/strikers/golf. Nintendo IP party games are OP

What I'm interested in are the insights the PS5 will give into PS4 architecture. PS5 is backwards compatible and seeing what the PS5 does to accommodate any problematic games in BC. PS4 emulation over 5 because 4 is well along. PS5 is deep in the no console exclusives era. Early PS4 still had semblance of third party exclusives and Japanese games skipping PC

I unplugged the PS5 Ethernet port just in case I ever want to do something in the future. I doubt it besides possibly future of running Linux on it. It'd make a great gaming PC someday as a gift. People always talk about exclusives as a reason for consoles. I play way more games on PC that aren't available on consoles. Too old and abandoned. Too indie so it may not show up for years if ever on consoles.

Hopefully the Xbox series X gets jail broken someday too. They'd be great values for gaming PCs

[–] Naho_Zako@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We barely turned our PS5 on until about a year and a half ago, it was the Switch that was getting all our love. Now we have a Switch 2 we barely touch and the PS5 gets attention cause games are on sale (nobody bought it lol)

I do PC game, but I prefer console because there's WAY less fiddling and tinkering due to hardware issues or shitty game ports. I was excited for the FFVII steam sale until I saw the reviews complaining about stuttering and performance issues. I prefer a painless, boot-it-up-and-play-immediately experience over modding capability.

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[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

If someone gets Bazzite running on it I will 100% start shopping around for a used ps5.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Sony has no competition right now in their market so they will be fine. Besides the PS6 isn't to far away.

[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

hypothetically, could they use different keys for each hardware revision? that'd help limit the impact as not every existing console would be affected. you'd think they had a plan for this in place after the PS3 keys leaked and their multiple huge security breaches

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