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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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If God truly is ‘all-powerful’ and ‘omnipotent,’ then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way to ‘save us.’” (sopuli.xyz)

submitted 3 months ago by Grimreaper@sopuli.xyz to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

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Christians say, "God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence." But, at the same time, these same people say, "God had to send his son to die because it was the only way."

Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He's not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he's this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.

I don't know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can't use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do???? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can't use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, "We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you."

See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn't the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you're saying this was the only way, then fine, but don't say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God's own power.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Imagine playing civilization IV and everything is just peaceful, boring isn't it? Gad also have right to have fun and see the nukes fly

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

Who says it was the only way? Because I think nothing in the Bible says it was the only way, is the way God choose to so for us regular people it is the only way but as we can't comprehend the mind of a God we can't understand the actions either.

God is Father so one way to try to understand the actions is to try to imagine a Father teaching a kid, now imagine said kid has millions of personalities, free will, is violent, envious, luscious and most of the time the kid believes he is more powerful and more intelligent than any parent but also is mortal, weak and afraid of everything, specially himself.

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[–] miyaheemiyahoo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

what many people don’t understand about actions the christian God made is that she had to make decisions that allowed for humans to understand that she sent Jesus to prove there’s a better way to live and that you don’t need to live in shame or subservience. What is the one thing that can’t be faked in our world? Death. That’s why it was a big deal.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think God set it up so we could save ourselves.

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[–] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Man, being a Christian on here really doesn't fly with most of ya huh?

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[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago

ITT: Pizza cutters. All edge nay point.

[–] phonics@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

He didn't HAVE to do anything to be fair. Biblically it was a gift of love (as messed up as that is).And yeah perhaps there was another way, but that's the way he chose. If he slaughtered a pig, you'd probably be like why didn't he offer his own son? Doesn't really have anything to do with omnipotence. Sacrifice was common in those days with goats etc. So it matches the culture of the day. Also kind of mirrors and reflects on the Abraham story too.

Also biblically God, Jesus and the holy spirit are technically one. Not really sure how that changes anything but is interesting to think about.

Here's the biblical text if youre interested John 3:16 ESV “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

I'm just some guy and dont have all the answers or am looking to battle about it. But I'm happy to chat if we keep it chill. Why is God's omnipotence important to you?

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[+] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Jesus didn't die to save anyone, he died because the Romans (colluding with corrupt Jewish religious authorities from what I understand, but still mostly due to the Romans) thought he was too dangerous of an element to keep alive. And many prophets and righteous believers have suffered injustice and death at the hands of the powerful. And I'm sure he knew it would end up like this too, which makes his open preaching and "social disruption" (fucking with the money folk at the temple, for instance) even more badass (and many more fitting, positive adjectives I can't think of right now, lol).

Yeah, Roman Catholicism, and any offshoot that follows its tenets, is nonsensical. But Jesus was a "Jew", a monotheist in the vein of Abraham, Moses and Solomon, who didn't come to "change the Law and the prophets but to fulfill it", to embody one that makes IRL change because his faith cannot allow him to do otherwise, to just be inactive. If the world is shit because of our own action and inaction, isn't it time to make the right choices? So he lived that life and walked the walk and talked the talk, so we can still talk about him (his talk and his walk, not his divinity of Roman origin...) two thousand years later, because he was very conscious that, in much the same way that you don't jump off of a roof because you understand gravity and the dangers of falling from high altitude, if he didn't do his best to be okay with the Heavenly Father (of everyone and everything, not an actual anthropomorphic dad, but the Creator on the outside and responsible of spacetime and everything in it; without compare is the Almighty, the Merciful), his soul could fall into Hell. He just, to quote Diogenes, was "singing louder in the choir so everyone else could follow the right tune". Anyways, follow Jesus and you'll be okay with God. For further info, read the Sermon on the Mount. If you wanna deep dive into what happened to actual Abrahamic monotheism after the Romans mutated and exported it, the Qur'an is freely available online (Clear Qur'an is a good translation, so is the Monotheist Qur'an). 👋

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