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we dont care, we see only upvotes. see no evil, hear no evil. come to hexbear where bad takes are ruthlessly purged
So glad someone with hlaf a brain actually does some rational thinking based on facts.
For the record, the war is not about that, but facts are facts 🤷. A large pirtion of Ukraine is Nazi oriented.
Cold war related stuff is what the media clings on to: Russia bad, Ukraine good.
The real reason was that the US was planning to plant it's ass in Russia's backyard. Ukraine wanted to be a part of NATO, which is of course a choice that any country has a right to make, but not when your neighbour is an ex hevy weight boxing champ and tells you to shut the hell up... yeah, you shut the hell up.
First of all, what's up with this title? I thought Zelensky fucking died.
But the media was recently critical of Nazis in Ukraine until the current invasion. That includes BBC, Reuters, Guardian, and Telegraph just to name a few. Now they all pretend like it's fake news, Russian propaganda. Haha
And, as far as I know, Ukraine only started seeking NATO membership after the 2014 US-backed coup. (They first applied in 2008.) So, I don't know if Ukraine, like the Scandinavian countries, didn't actually have popular support to join NATO pre-2022 but it'd make sense if public opinion has now shifted.
It's all politics... sympatheic about losses on both sides, but this could have all been avoided if they (UA) stepped down on the NATO deal.
For sure, I agree with you.
But I have to take back what I said, Ukraine started seeking NATO membership as early as 2008. Although it does seem that they started seeking NATO as a priority after Euromaidan.
My point was that it's doubtful to say they exercised their right as a country to freely decide whether to join NATO, especially if there was no major popular demand for it at the time, I'm sure it's just coincidental that they sought NATO as a priority after a US-backed coup.
The coup as well... and other things... the US messes in politics with foreign countries way way too much. Russia does it as well, but not to that extent. I think Putin just got pissed about it and saw an oportunity to regain some of the land Russia lost when the USSR fell apart. The NATO thing was just the icing on the cake.
The Cuban missile crisis was about the same thing, Russia planting it's ass next to NATO. Russia did back down with the plan though. The US wasn't ready to do that with Ukraine. They wanted a country right next to Russia.
It’s funny how IMDB changed his name sometime between January 2022 and now: https://web.archive.org/web/20220129175259/https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3305952/
For the record, the war is not about that
Oooooh. You used the W-word. 20 years of gulag for you, comrade. 🙃
people also forget that ukraine first began terror operations in 2014 against the innocent civilians of donbas who requested more autonomy. its always convenient that history always starts whenever it is most satisfactory for liberals
Yeah, to be honest, a lot of things were not reported or reported wrongly by the media... there's at least 2 sides to 1 story, but seing as how Putin was close to Trump, plus the fact that Russia was always portraied as the villan in the cold war, it's understandable why things were not reported correctly and not every fact was layed out.
For the record, I'm not pro one side or the other. Just saying that things are not always as they seem.
the prevailing opinion on hexbear is that we care about the citizens of donbas and the normal people that were drawn into this insane death spiral by the west. we generally dont support the governments of russia (some do critically support russia on very specific terms) or ukraine for a variety of reasons, but our primary point is to oppose the american military industrial complex.
It's pointless... at least in my mind... oposing that is, the military industrial complex, doesn't matter which country it belongs to.
We have a saying around here: сила бога не моли. Litelarly translated it means power doesn't ask anything from god. Basically, this applies to everything in life. If you're powerful enough, you don't ask anyone for anything, even aproval... it's just how things are 🤷.